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#0665* – UKIP – Will They Be Visible @ Their Own Funeral?

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 29/09/2011

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UKIP – Will They Be Visible @ Their Own Funeral?!
One wonders as they have had absolutely no impact on politics IN BRitain nor to Leave-The-EU!

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another contribution from a forum to which I post regularly:

UKIP – Will They Be Visible @ Their Own Funeral?

Hi,

having listened to the communistesque State of The Union speech of the odious Jose Manuel Barroso in drag he would be so very like Polly Toynbe – far from attractive and like mindedly batty as a box of frogs.

I believe we can safely say that had Arnold Toynbee and the Fabian movement been killed off the world would in many ways be a better place.

I know that had that happened to the Communist student leader in Portugal the same would be true but as to whether his vile and arcane concepts are hereditary I can not say.

What is true is that many of Nigel Farage’s faults would seem to be hereditary on his father Guy’s side – unreliable, gambler, womaniser and drunk – so very similar and no doubt where Farage inheritted his insecurity and scheming manner as an amoral self serving insecure loner.

That UKIP has achieved absolutely nothing in moving these United Kingdoms one inch towards the aim of Leave-The-EU in 20 years is indisputable as even now out of 19,500 available seats UKIP only has less than 30 and no one of any merit or stature in British politics.

I have seen no broadcast by eMail, radio or TV exposing the comments of the idiot Barosso – yet we see Farage’s chum who has even gone so far as to deliberately lie on Farage’s account in the past, Peter Oborne, on Newsnight vigerously promoting his latest pamphlet through The Institute for Policy Studies – when in 20 years UKIP has never even published a pamphlet, unless you count Batten’s rehash of the Government Pink Book.

Where was UKIP holding forth on the Barroso State of the Union bid to destroy London as a financial center?

In fact consider these 3 titles alone:
EC president Barroso urges deeper economic integration
September 28 2011 | Bruno Waterfield | Finance

The EU faces the “biggest crisis in its history” as it struggles to hold the eurozone together amid the sovereign debt crisis, Jose Manuel Barroso, the European Commission president has admitted.

MEPs to spend £26m on bigger offices… to be used one day a week …
September 27 2011 | Bruno Waterfield | News

MEPs are planning to spend £26million on bigger offices that will only be used an average of one day a week in the EU assembly’s Strasbourg seat.

David Cameron ‘betrayed’ MEPs on Strasbourg
September 26 2011 | Bruno Waterfield | News

Senior Tories have accused David Cameron of caving in to Foreign Office pressure to appease the French by abandoning a key Coalition promise to reform the EU.

Whilst you are in contemplative mood you may care to go through this check list at:
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& tick off ANY where UKIP brought the issues to the public conscience when they pertained to the simple concept of Leave-The-EU

Do not forget howmany £Millions have been garnered from the public purse and also how much the public have been defrauded by UKIP MEPs.

Since when was stealing £30,000+ in fiddled expenses and embezelling it to buy a car and over 1,000 bottles of wine ‘using the devils money to do gods work’ as Stuart Agnew so colourfully and duplicitously put it!

UKIP leadership to a man are the dregs of politics with an abysmal record on fraud, bad publicity, self enrichment, childish stunts and corruption even backing the support of Anders Breivick and now supporting The True Finns with a comment about Greek protesters being crushed by tanks and a Military Junta!

As a supporter of UKIP I am pleased to say I have not succumbed to their lack of ethics and their moral standards of the gutter, which their leadership bring to politics – nor of course would I claim they were the only ones to do so, but the difference is they lied to ME and let ME down, The LibLabCon did not as I knew they were trash and they made no effort to convince me otherwise.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

Clearly economists at the hands of these rascalls we have as politicians, in their efforts to solve the economic problems are like poker pl;ayers, who when matched against the cards can be expected to win on a fair and equitable table based on their skills.

Here we have the economists (poker players) trying to double guess which cards the dealer and his cronies (the politicians) have removed from the decks!

There is absolutely no doubt that Greece will and in fact has defaulted on its debts – let us see just how crass the economic solution devised by the corrupt politicians of The EU will be so that these idiots can lie to eachother and the public using false argument and inventive language in the hope of duping the peoples they are expressly trying to con – THE PUBLIC!

It is hard to find any informed person who holds politicians and their parasites feeding on the corpse of The EU in any greater regard than petty thieves at best and paedophiles with absolutely no consideration, regard or empathy for their victims as one moves closer to the center of The EU and those who still support it.
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#0664* – SHOOT TO KILL GREEK PROTESTERS advocated by UKIP Partners

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 28/09/2011

#0664* – SHOOT TO KILL GREEK PROTESTERS advocated by UKIP Partners

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SHOOT TO KILL GREEK PROTESTERS
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this article on one of the Forums I post on may interest you!

SHOOT TO KILL GREEK PROTESTERS advocated by UKIP Partners



SHOOT TO KILL GREEK PROTESTERS
advocated by UKIP Partners 
In Farage’s extremist, violent, racist anti Jewish EFD Group!

Hi,

UKIP’s extremist and racist partners  in their sordid Pan EU Political group The EFD The True Finns have really sunk to the bottom in support of a Police State and the killing of protesters in Greece

‘True Finns’ MP, Jussi Halla-aho – chairman of the Administration Committee of the Finnish Government – recently made this comment on the Greek protests:

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“What Greece needs at this particular time is a ‘Military Junta’ that would not have to worry about its popularity and could use tanks to enforce some order among strikers and rioters”.[/quote]


The comments were originally made on the MP’s Facebook page and soon caused outrage in Finland and Greece.

In a face-saving exercise in Finland, he was later suspended from his party for a whole two weeks!!

So I guess by invoking military rule and the use of tanks the MP supports a ‘shoot to kill’ policy in Greece!!

We note that as leader of The EFD Group Farage seemingly endorses these comments?

After all, Nigel happily sits with the True Finns in The EFD group and has chosen to remain silent when it comes to the MP and his sordid views.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

Let us not forget that the Leader of The EFD is Nigel Farage and he has made no comment let alone denunciation of this odious little True Finn’s comment.

Then again who listens to Nigel Farage anyway?

You may recal recently he announced that he would withdraw UKIP from The EFD unless Mario Borghezio was removed – The Italians – who outnumber UKIP – merely ignored Farage and Farage lacked the basic integrity to withdraw UKIP from the group (There is little doubt he would have stayed in the group as if he withdrew UKIP he would personally lose his chauffeur, his office, some of his staff and not just personal money but a large amount of unaccountable income).

One need only look at the donations made by Nigel Farage over the last 20 years made to UKIP and the huge amount of money UKIP has earned him – members even pay for him to be chauffeured around in this Country!

He has proudly boasted of making over £2Million over and above his actual costs and income!

I do not for a moment deny Nigel Farage is UKIP’s greatest asset but it is clear that due to his utter incompetence as a leader he is also UKIP’s greatest liability, self seeking, self serving and self enriching – ensuring no one within the party receives training or support who might take the one role he has proved utterly incompetent to carry out, that of leader – he fails to honour his promises, he abuses his authority and his position, he hires staff on the basis of abilities far different from those which the party would wish to fund!

One need only watch Farage in the EU parliament on his many video clips to see how utterly irrelevant he is having turned UKIP into a predictable and easily ignored comic turn.

UKIP with its present structure – the filth that has risen to the top and the utter incompetence these trough feeders have displayed are clearly no longer fit for purpose.

Astonishing as it may seem – The whole of The UKIP structure under Nigel Farage has achieved less in 20 years to move UKIP and these United Kingdoms to Leave-The-EU than has Nikki Sinclaire despite being abused and attacked by the low lifes in UKIP who she has shown up – No wonder the insecure and clearly inadequate Nigel Farage hates her even to the extent of telling and engineering lies and twice being found Guilty when facing the courts relative to his treatment of Nikki Sinclaire who he personally forced out as a UKIP MEP, as her abilities and achievements showed Farage for what he clearly is – an old style failed Tory Yob!
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#0657* – UKIP / EFD Conference Puts EUkip Out on A Limb!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 14/09/2011

#0657* – UKIP / EFD Conference Puts EUkip Out on A Limb!

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UKIP / EFD Conference Puts EUkip Out on A Limb!
Making Legal Fools of Themselves!
Whilst Obviously with Leadership UKIP could have done so well capitalising on Farage whilst he was controlled for Britain’s Benefit!

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After the embarrassing debacle of the EFD Conference and the day allocated to UKIP with its more of the same soundbites, same grouping of about 400 sold as many more and as ever implausible speeches – right down to the elderly failed Tory wheeled out on stage as the only apparent turn they could muster.
Save of course the efforts to wheel Jon Gaunt out as their Judas Goat, having failed totally to achieve anything of substance – in fact having failed to even keep his organisation up to date or with an executive staff anymore! – I’ll grant you it had been professionally & deliberately sabotaged by those Plastic EUroSceptics who having been denied the right to politically control and be in political command and make political capital for themselves set out themselves as Judas Goats to hijack the Peoples’ Pledge and turn it once again into The Politicians’ vehicle!
They lack even the gonnadic ability to admit that The Pledge has failed be it the original Pledge which Jon Gaunt has now jumped on the band waggon of seemingly a career move, possibly even hoping for a job with UKIP as with poor old Neil Hamilton!!!
Then of course there is that other failure the Marc Glendenning, Bob Crow, Labour inspired Judas Goat that has been set up as The Politicians’ vehicle with Dan Hannon and the like who seek to embarrass David Cameron.
That too has failed and crano rectally retentive as these self serving fools are preening in the mirror can they not understand they are making fools of themselves as severall weeks ago it was announced that The Petition Campaign for an in/out Referendum had reached the 100,000 target required and some whilst the Judas Goats were squabbling and trying to gain the upper hand with less than 50,000 signatures – Whilst they squabbled like Politicians the real work had been done by The Independent Nikki Sinclaire MEP with a small group of cross party MPs and MEPs THEY DELIVERED whilst the Plastic EUroSceptics acted like Judas Goats to sabotage the Petition concept THEY FAILED.
On Thursday last Nikki Sinclaire MEP and her supporters DELIVERED 100,000+ Signatures to Drowning Street and officially to The Rump Parliament at Westminster.
I note with interest Team Farage have systematically shot themselves in the foot – It was their well publicised intent to bring Nikki Sinclaire back into the fold having found themselves at risk of a staggeringly costly High Court action with the huge damages potential to follow!
As I predicted – an apology was issued to ameliorate the guilty verdict where the Courts found against Nigel Farage, Godfrey Bloom and UKIP in favour of Nikki Sinclaire.
I predicted huge efforts would be made to try to capitalise on her achievements since she disassociated herself from the extremist and vile EFD Group and the Farage Party Faction’s persuit of personal revenue!
I predicted all would be overtures UNTIL the EFD Conference was over (YES EFD as UKIP was willing to jump through any EU hoop and give the EU dream [Nightmare] credibility in return for the EU funding their conference!) – I then said the pretend deal would start to unravel.
It may amuse watchers of the sordid dishonesty of UKIP Leadership claque that they made much of TRYING to portray Nikki Sinclaire as unfit by virtue of a technical bankruptcy which Farage’s gutter rat had routed out in the sewers of his life – for which he, Mark Croucher, tried to claim glory when it was years earlier that I had provided the details and the fact that it was a complete irrelevancy pre dating her appointment to any office.
Strangely it has been made clear and deliberately leaked that UKIP will, if Nikki Sinclaire proceeds to The High Court, claim they suspended her right to represent UKIP BECAUSE she was once years ago a bankrupt.
Intertestingly this just won’t wash and digs the hole even deeper for UKIP!
Firstly it was public domain, irrelevant and common knowledge that she had been bankrupt when Nigel Farage as leader selected her as a candidate in an MEP constituency. Yet astonishingly the febrile excuse for his having lied about her and defamed her to get rid of her as a UKIP MEP when he forced his puppet Malcolm Pearson to write that scurrilous letter and outright lie was that she had to be removed as she had once in the past been a bankrupt and that she was discharged as a bankrupt years ago was irrelevant.
This was used as the excuse for firing her yet not firing Mike Nattrass or Trevor Colman who had also had sufficient integrity to leave the racist, extremist and violent EFD Group, yet not firing them!
So I guess Neil Hamilton will mnever be able to be an MEP or on The NEC and of course he will have to be fired from his position as the new Muppet of Wiltshire or whatever Farage calls his Branch/Regional appointed Chairmen who have never been elected and get parachuted in for his gain!
Although Neil Hamilton has been a member of UKIP for 6 years and is a Bankrupt Farage has a rule for people he can make money out of and another rule for people who challenge his corruption I guess!

Well it is The Farage Fund Raising Party I guess – but I guess that will cost UKIP members 10s of £1,000 when it comes to the High Court but why should Farage worry when UKIP received £8,500 compensation for an error in The Sunday Times that of course will have gone to Farage and when the Bills come in for his many lost Court cases those Bills go to the members!

What a charlatan Nigel Farage is but as I have always said Farage is UKIP’s greatest liability with his salaried sex life, drunken thieves on the staff, consorting with prostitutes and well known drunken reveries but he is also their only assett as he has made sure by surrounding himself with the weak, the venal and the corrupt, liars, cheats and bullies.
Not one of the leadership team is other than the scum that has risen in the septic tank Farage has built.

He is however quite a good performer all be it a uselesas leader as this video shows:
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#0653* – Congratulations UKIP – 4th. Out of 4 National Parties!!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 07/09/2011

#0653* – Congratulations UKIP – 4th. Out of 4 National Parties!!

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Congratulations UKIP – 4th. Out of 4 National Parties!

Astonishingly local issue Party also rans The Greens managed an MP by clever strategy!

The vile BNP has imploded and the various other also rans are regional only!

UKIP Leadership Make Much of being 4th. out of 4 on the National stakes!!

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we were astonished that UKIP Leadership claque made so much of this poll though to be fair they were 4th. out of 4 National parties with their percentage up having, it seems, picked up support from the collapse of their closest rivals The BNP from UKIP style dishonesty, bullying and internal wrangling.

By clever strategy The Greens managed to get their party into Westminster, only a dream for UKIP leader Farage who stands at every opportunity,

The great sadness for UKIP members after 18 years is to read the agenda for The Conference this week and note that UKIP are unable to field a single solitary individual in the party of stature, gravitas and competent. 18 years and so staggeringly little progress – just glance down the list of personalities speaking not a single solitary individual with a mainstream profile unless you hinge the whole conference on Jon Gaunt!

Look with care at the list and much become apparent – EUkip have spent so much time navel gazing they have failed totally to build either a structure or a presence, they have even had to fossick around EU cronies to find SOMEONE to speak albeit unknowns to the public and utterly irrelevant to British Patriots who frankly couldn’t give a damn how Latvia, Lithuania and Luxembourg wish to be ruled or the governance of Finland, France and Greece wish to be financed and controlled – No more our business than Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran or Libya!

Astonishingly at a time when 52% of the electorate would vote to leave The EU, on a far more significant poll funded by Independent MEP Nikki Sinclaire, and only 30% would vote to stay in and listen to the Finns, Czechs, French and other foreigners on how they are goverened!

With over 66% of Tory voters who would vote to Leave-The-EU

UKIP gets its best ever poll result comming 4th. out of 4 National Parties with 7%

Could it be that UKIP has become a part of the problem and has surrendered its CLAIMED ambition to be part of the solution when you consider:

Before we continue I would ask you to consider:
Is it reasonable to state that any Political Body or Corporation that is so bereft of ability to show its achievements and worth that it despatches its agents and spokesment under cowardly cover of anonymity or irrelevance to lie, distort dissemble, bully and abuse as their only defence has most clearly lost the plot.
That its agents are shown repeatedly not for their achievements which seem insignificant but for their criminality, arrogance, dishonesty and corruption might they be considered to have lost the moral right to lead.

May it be accepted that unable to show any competence, ability or achievement of note and value in their appointed task yet setting out for self enrichment they seek to defend themselves in Court with other people’s money they are clearly without ethic or morality.

That they seek in default of truth to lie and defame and then default upon their bills to seek to harm those weaker than themselves might they be considerred to have lost all right to respect or support from informed and ethical individuals.

If you can say no to any of these questions then may I suggest EUkip is the party for you!

(09/07/11) –

Labour Keeps Advantage Over Tories and Liberal Democrats in Britain

The approval rating for David Cameron remains stable, while both Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband lose points.

The Labour Party is holding on to the top spot in Britain’s political landscape, a new Angus Reid Public Opinion poll has found.

The online survey of a representative sample of 2,005 British adults also shows a drop in the approval rating for both Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband.

Voting Intention

Across Britain, 39 per cent of decided voters and leaners (-2 since July) say they would support the Labour candidate in their constituency in the next General Election.

The Conservative Party is second with 33 per cent (-1), followed by their coalition partners—the Liberal Democrats—with 11 per cent (+1).

The United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP) is next with seven per cent, followed by the Scottish National Party (SNP) with five per cent, the Green Party with two per cent, and the British National Party (BNP) also with two per cent.

Labour is still clearly ahead of its rivals in the North (47%), holds a ten-point lead over the Conservatives in London (44% to 34%) and a four-point edge in Midlands and Wales (41% to 37%). The Tories are still first in the South of England (40% to 34%). In Scotland, the SNP now holds the support of practically half of decided voters (49%).

Approval

There has been no change in the performance rating for Prime Minister David Cameron since March, with two-in-five respondents (41%) saying they approve of the way he is handling his duties, and half of Britons (51%) saying they disapprove.

While one third of respondents (32%) approve of Ed Miliband’s performance as Leader of the Opposition, only one-in-four (26%) feel the same way about the way Nick Clegg is doing his job as Deputy Prime Minister.

CONTACT:

Mario Canseco, Vice President, Angus Reid Public Opinion
+877 730 3570
mario.canseco@angus-reid.com

Methodology: From September 1 to September 2, 2011, Angus Reid Public Opinion conducted an online survey among 2,005 randomly selected British adults who are Springboard UK panelists. The margin of error—which measures sampling variability—is +/- 2.2%. The results have been statistically weighted according to the most current education, age, gender and region data to ensure samples representative of the entire adult population of Great Britain. Discrepancies in or between totals are due to rounding.

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#0648* – Should UKIP follow Scottish Tories & Disband?

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 05/09/2011

#0648* – Should UKIP follow Scottish Tories & Disband?

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~Should EUkip follow Scottish Tories & Disband?
It is worth considering does UKIP still exist!!

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The staggering dishonesty and stunning stupidity of UKIP NEC members such as Mick McGough, Douglas Denny, Hugh Williams and their cronies would be hard to over estimate – I guess it is little wonder that the likes of Stuart Wheeler bipass them in decision making, as with the recent appointment of the utterly inept and inappropriate little Michael Heavers [for details see: CLICK HERE] who brings so little to the party beyond his ambition and an ability to make even Stuart Parr look stupid!
Little wonder that UKIP’s incestuous little forum has been bubbling and fizzing with the tantrums of the self important nebishes. Even someone as gullible and naiive as Steve Allison would seem to clearly have woken up to the fact of his own irrelevance – he can not claim he wasn’t warned!
The dishonesty and obvious stupidity of Mick McGough beggars belief with his display of political ignorance on the other UKIP Forum run for them by the weak and dishonest little muppet Anthony Butcher was a sight to behold today with the utterly stupid comment:

What binds this axis of anti-UKIP men and women?
Are they remunerated ?
If so by whom ?

and then in answer to another poster’s question:
Quote Originally Posted by Road_Hog View Post

Are they anti-UKIP or anti the direction that Farage is taking UKIP in?

Just anti-UKIP,attacking Farage as he is the leader.Any other leader would be similarly attacked

It would seem he has rather less political savvy keeping his ears apart than his avatar would indicate that Lisa Duffy has keeping her pants on!
Astonishingly in response to Road_Hog’s question above, Barren of Brain showed himself to be even less politically informed! His first stupidity was to say:

I’m certain they are anti-UKIP. They might have a point or two about Farage, but they are not interested in anti-EU politics. That to me is a dead giveaway.

It may make him feel important but to be so wrong is staggering even for someone who can not see past his own ego!
The comment of the idiotic AND consistenly ill informed Independent UKIP (widely believed to be little Ray Finch and a couple of others desperately boot licking to stay with their snouts in the gravy boat) his reply to ‘ex-member’  is so stupid as to be worth fisking for amusement:
Quote Originally Posted by ex-member View Post

Do tell us the direction Farage is taking the party in?
Farage is much more interested in the questions put by Mcgough-
who is behind the outrageous attacks on his clear and trasparent leadership methods?
Who is financing them?

Good that you’re still around ex-member. As Farage is also still around things don’t seem to be going too well for your lot.

I trust the fool does not include me as I am all too well aware that Farage has ensured he is EUkip’s only asset – people of the calliber of Ray Finch, Gawain Towler, Mark Croucher, Godfrey Bloom, Mick McGough, Michael Heavers, Lisa Duffy, Annabell Fuller, Johnny Arnott, are indication enough that without Farage EUkip has nothing

That Farage is EUkip’s greatest assett I have NEVER denied, nor have I lied to people and implied that he is other than their greatest liability as the media have shown time and again.

I don’t expect you to give up on your anti-UKIP efforts though.

I will have to take his word for the claim that ex-member is ‘anti-UKIP’ though I have never seen evidence to support the claim and as I know The Junius team I know only too well how supportive of UKIP they have been and are.
I can only speak with certainty of myself and little wonder the cowardly worm hides behind anonymity if he claims that I am anti-UKIP or in any way on any day pro membership of The EU – Sir you are a liar and most clearly a coward – too cowardly to put your name to your obvious dishonesty, self serving as it may be.
You are Sir little better than the liar cheat and low life Mick McGough whose dishonesty is only rivalled by his stupidity which are both outshone by his vile and self demeaning personality – an excrecence on a par with Mark Croucher, John Ison, David Bannerman, Stuart Parr and the like who serially lie and cheat in their betrayal of these United Kingdoms for their personal gain.

In reply to post 1, the Junius hate blog

That you may HATE the truth about EUkip being published does not surprise me one iota.

recently reproduced a claim that Mr Rodney Atkinson was forced out of the party due to his apparent exposure of Conrad Black as a Bilderberger.

A claim which was NOT a statement of Junius merely the misinformed belief of one individual included in the dossier of papers published by long term UKIP member in Farage’s region who has resigned from UKIP Chichester – However do by all means study the facts which can be found if you CLICK HERE
To have implied, as you seemed to, that Junius wrote the comment is dishonest and clearly in character for you.

As Mr Lance-Watkins claims for himself much of the credit for stopping Mr Atkinson from becoming UKIP leader a possible source by which Mr Lance-Watkins is remunerated is the Bilderberg group.

You do make an incredible fool of yourself with such ill informed comments.

I’m certainly not saying that is the case but merely putting the possibility out there.

Indeed your disingenuous dishonesty needs no explanation – those of any intelligence saw through your childish behaviour long ago.

As for the Junius hate blog

You keep repeating your little mantra as if to convince yourself – Sir as ever you are clearly a liar as you have totally failed to show EVER where Junius blog has been so childish as to hate and clearly no example where it could be described as hating UKIP.

there is very little doubt that one or more of their ‘editors’ is most happily in the pay of the EU.

Here you are actually right – in the ranks of EUkip leadership and their parasites there is little doubt.
It is of course that doubt that has them endlessly accusing eachother and others of participation.
When on a ship of fools it is rarely wise to follow the lead with a joke! Today YOU are that joke!
Showing yourself to be even more stupid than we might have imagined you went on to post this wriggling effort in a spectacularly inept attempt to embarrass Petrina Holdsworth:
It was the GLW link I was alluding to.
Wriggling to get off the hook PH had firmly put you on from an earlier ill informed comment you made!
Some of those you associated with in UK First were and are very close associates of Mr Lance-Watkins
As with the very many senior members of UKIP and subsequently EUkip who quite clearly supplied me with information and address l;ists ensuring the accuracy of my eMails, Forum Posts and blogs now and over the years. So accurate have they been that NO ONE has ever shown me to have materially misled or lied to mislead in a single solitary posting, which is why I do not have need of the cowardly device of anonymity and provide my address and phone number readily so that anyone wishing to ‘clean-up’ EUkip and make it a party that informed and ethical individuals of morality can vote for and put their name to as gentlemen can both supply information to that end or confirm the source and facts behind the many repetitions and revellations I have made over some 15 years.
as evidenced by the info and material provided to him during that brief era.
It may interest you to know, and as it is now not material, most of which was supplied by UKIP members who hoped that UKFirst might emerge as a replacement for the befouled EUkip.
But despite the claimed role of Mr Lance-Watkins in the failure of Mr Atkinson to gain the UKIP leadership you went along with those characters (I should have used the words “type of” in addition to the words used, sorry for not doing so) in that party.
I presume ‘went along with’ includes Malcolm Pearson who had various meetings with them during that period, which of course he would not have been allowed to do without Farage’s approval as he was after all Farage’s ‘bitch’ pimping his ideas and views – even his lies and dishonesty.
Before we continue I would ask you to consider:
Is it reasonable to state that any Political Body or Corporation that is so bereft of ability to show its achievements and worth that it despatches its agents and spokesment under cowardly cover of anonymity or irrelevance to lie, distort dissemble, bully and abuse as their only defence has most clearly lost the plot.
That its agents are shown repeatedly not for their achievements which seem insignificant but for their criminality, arrogance, dishonesty and corruption might they be considered to have lost the moral right to lead.

May it be accepted that unable to show any competence, ability or achievement of note and value in their appointed task yet setting out for self enrichment they seek to defend themselves in Court with other people’s money they are clearly without ethic or morality.

That they seek in default of truth to lie and defame and then default upon their bills to seek to harm those weaker than themselves might they be considerred to have lost all right to respect or support from informed and ethical individuals.

If you can say no to any of these questions then may I suggest EUkip is the party for you!

Sunday, 4 September 2011

UKIP should follow Scottish Tories and disband

Today’s Sunday Telegraph story on the above quoting the Scottish Tories likely new leader, Murdo Fraser was the best example of political leadership I can remember. Mr Fraser has looked at the Tory performance in Scotland and come to the rational conclusion supported by the evidence that North of the border the Tories are finished and has the courage to act on his beliefs. I quote from the ST below.

Murdo Fraser, who is favourite to become leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party, will announce that he plans to wind up the party if he wins a ballot of members next month. 
He would follow disbanding the party by launching a new Right-of-centre party that would contest all Scottish elections — council, Scottish Parliament and Westminster.
Mr Fraser, a member of the Scottish Parliament, believes the Conservatives have become a “toxic brand” in Scotland since losing all 11 of their Commons seats in the 1997 Labour landslide.

UKIP needs to do the same and recognise its total electoral failure in the only elections that can lead to the UK leaving the EU, the Westminster elections! UKIP is currently the problem in making progress on this core issue and is not and never can be even part of the solution.

Its name in the blogosphere  of EUKIP is well merited. Its leadership has been bribed by EU money and flattery into Brussels based EU supporters and much, much worse blocking the development of a real leave the EU party in the UK. It is irretrievably dominated by the same old toxic Tories, Pearson, Gill, Farage etc that the Scots Tory leader elect recognises as an insurmountable barrier to winning MPs in Scotland. And look at UKIP’s latest recruit and star conference speaker, Neil Hamilton! A man who led the way in expenses scandals long before duck houses became fashionable.

Tim Congdon, one of the leaders in the No vote campaign against Farage’s pan Europe party is also down to speak at the UKIP conference sharing a platform with Bloom who is alleged already to have signed up to a Pan Europe party and a Czech EU reformist called Mach whom I have never heard of. Tim’s political compass needs looking at. If he wants out of the EU he should keep well away from these EU, mid European apologists.

UKIP can rid itself of these toxic, unreconstructed old Tories  only by disbanding and immediately reforming as broad based centrist anti EU party ie a party that could win Westminster seats like the Greens. This is the best and only contribution EUKIP can make to getting us out of the EU. The people are there to do it. Nikki Sinclaire, Mike Natrass, Trevor Colman and John Bufton. UKIP’s NEC is simply a Farage rubber stamp group of mushrooms. Kept in the dark and fed plenty of shit. Batten is politically spineless against Farage and Andreasen is the Monet dream made flesh.

It is down to those 4 MEPs to show some leadership. What have they to lose? Farage will never allow them to go on any UKIP MEP slate again. That is of course the real reason Bannerman jumped ship to the Tories. It had nothing to do with his profound admiration of  EU phile boy Dave. As soon as he stood against Farage for the leadership he was toast. He knew that as does anyone who knows Farage. Look at what has happened to the others who have stood against Farage in leadership contests.

Its a pity Tim Congdon lacks a political sense. As one ministers PPS once said to me that its like a sixth sense and if you don’t have it you will never succeed in politics. Del Young has it big time. That is why he had to be marginalised and got rid off. Tim would be better off taking Del’s advice than Batten’s or Steve Allison. Both think they will be allowed onto the UKIP MEP slate in 2014. Knowing Farage, if he is still leader, I would not bet on either Batten or Allison appearing higher than 10, if at all, on any regional MEP slate. 

Greg_L-W. said…

Hi,

you seem to imply that there is something worth saving in EUkip.

Mike Nattrass, Trevor Colman and Nikki Sinclaire have effectively left EUkip and its corruption behind them.

If you consider the only way to clean-up the party is to dissolve it and reform it immediately – how do YOU believe that this would ensure the removal of the corrupt leadership when quite clearly the members have voted clearly against them and even now it is likely Farage will use the conference to re-sell PEPPs with a back me or sack me gamble, without winning that he personally is of course finished.

The membership have voted resolutely against him and the liars he has gathered around him to support PEPPs on two very clear occasions.

The members also voted resolutely against his AV proposition and his Local Elections were catastrophic.

Politically poor old Tim but Dim lacks the required abilities to lead, Stuart Wheeler has shown he is happy to collude in corruption and has the judgement skills sufficient to have gambled and made a fortune which he has proceeded to loos by £Millions ever since.

Just look at how he behaves and the calliber of people he funds and even in UKIP he knows the NEC are untrustworthy and irrelevant so he ignores them.

EUkip has made itself apparent as no more than a Judas Goat, a claque of Plastic EUroSceptics who are unable to show a single solitary actual achievement that has placed these United Kingdoms closer to Leave-The-EU.

To be fair they have trousered a great deal of money, have helped The EU gain a great deal of credibility and have set out to sabotage numerous initiatives being more interested in their wealth creation, self interest and ensuring they do not upset the cart that delivers their apples.

Who would be worth saving when their ship sinks with their top 100 on.

Please – just a few names would be worth considering for I know of none.

EUkip has for some time now been very much a part of the problem with no place in the solution.

Clearly I have been for many years and still am a resolute supporter of UKIP but clearly I will NOT tolerate corruption and deceit of any kind and I consider the befouled EUkip to be irredeemable – I regret.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

4 September 2011 14:54

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Hi,

Eric you commented on some utterly unknown EU politician speaking at EUkip’s conference.

This shows the extent to which EUkip has bought into The EU project as frankly what Finland, Estonia, Germany, Libya, Germany, Afghanistan or Greece chooses as its method of Governance is absolutely no business of ours.

Please note that Nikki Sinclaire’s You Gov poll clearly showed that 53% of the peoples of these United Kingdoms will, when given the opportunity, vote to Leave-The-EU yet only 30% would vote to remain which is quite incredible minded just howmany aliens have been flooded into Britain to try to tip the balance.

It is interesting also to note that EUkip’s extremist partners in The EU list at least 2 who openly or obliquely gave support to Anders Brevick and today I note Mario Borghezio is still a member of the group for all Farage’s huff and puff, as is Francesco Speroni see:
http://www.efdgroup.eu/the-group.html
suspended for the summer holidays one must assume yet featuring over a week into the new parliament!

Will they be speakers to ensure enough utterly irrelevant foreigners speak to qualify for the EU bribes that will pay for the conference and much of the ancilliary costs.

I note also John Gaunt will be attending though his EU Referendum site has not been updated for an age and like Dan Hannan & Glendenning and the othert Judas Goat’s approved Conservative site they have been shown up by the dedication of Nikki Sinclare’s 100K+ signature petition – despite the many efforts of Farage, Bloom, Pearson and others to sabotage her effort and aid The EU and Tories thereby.

Clearly EUkip is no part of the solution with the likes of The Fraudster and abuser Stuart Agnew, The Liar and fraudster Derek Clark and the concatenation of low lifes and liars on the NEC how could EUkip ever be a part of the solution?

EUkip represents no values I would wish to call British.

Indeed EUkip is corrupt and corrupting OUR-ENEMY-WITHIN

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

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#0638* – Dr. Eric EDMOND’S Take on Derek HUNNIKIN’S Papers.

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#0638* – Dr. Eric EDMOND’S Take on Derek HUNNIKIN’S Papers.

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Saturday, 27 August 2011

Derek Hunnikin’s UKIP papers

Derek Hunnikin joined UKIP in 1995 twelve years before I did. He sent me a series of documents detailing the unsavoury history of UKIP’s hierarchy from 1995 to date. His email address is

derekhunnikin@btinternet.com

I urge all interested in UKIP’s fate to email Derek requesting a copy of his dossier.

I have never met Mike Nattrass and I know nothing of his views. I think UKIP’s best hope lies with Nikki Sinclaire, whom I have met, and  who has been very active with her referendum campaign. I know  some of her other political views do not play well with some of UKIP’s core support but I urge them to concentrate on the big issue of leaving the EU and not be beguiled by a sterile left wing right wing argument. One of the most effective and articulate opponents of the EU in the UK is Bob Crow, the far left, rail worker’s leader!

One of the most telling comments in the dossier came from Robin Page who makes the point he was voted onto the governing body of the National Trust against the wishes of the NT establishment only after the NT stared using the Electoral Reform Society to conduct is ballots. On the NEC I fought for UKIP to use the ERS for all UKIP elections.I  was bad mouthed by Farage, Whittaker, Derek Clarke, Denny etc  who clearly had their own agenda in these matters and deliberately mis-represented the service the ERS offered at a very competitive price..

I publish below the reply I have sent to Derek based on my own experience.

Dear Derek,

Thank you very much for sending me copies of the above. It must have taken a great deal of time and effort on your part to do this and I wholeheartedly thank you for this. I read all your documents and learned a great deal from them as I only joined UKIP in 2007!

I had worked for the UK government in the period 71/73 when Heath pushed through the Common Market Accession Act with a succession of dirty tricks. I thought then when I resigned from the Civil Service I had seen it all, that was until I met Nigel Farage!

Looking at the latest list of those standing for the NEC my heart sinks. Farage supporters and wannabe MEPs predominate.

Tim Congdon is a good man and excellent academic economist but lacks the ability to talk to ordinary people. Gerard Batten turns to jelly when opposed by Farage. John Bufton is ill and I doubt Trevor Colman wants to stand again given the villification he has had from SW committee members. William Legge, the belted Earl, is another Bannerman. He simply wants a political career after the Tories had multiply rejected him. Worse, his paid ‘minder’ is Malcolm Wood  a long term associate of Farage who shares many of Farage’s characteristics.

I am sorry I have not been more help to you but my energies have been diverted to helping my wife and her French property these last six months. I agree with most of your sentiments and views on UKIP.
UKIP is the only political party I have ever been a member of and through it I met many fine people whom I still count as my friends. It is sad, but not surprising, to realise from your dossier that my UKIP experience merely repeated the experiences of those who had gone before and that if by chance in future any non – Farage supporter is elected onto the NEC list or MEP list I fear they will suffer the same fate!

I was elected both to the NEC and MEP SW slate on the democratic vote of UKIP members. UKIP is not a democratic party but a Farage cult and hence can never have any impact on UK politics

Regards

Eric Edmond

 
Farage’s chosen  prosecutor for my fictitious damaging  of UKIP was Bannerman. I am still a paid up member and supporter of UKIP. We all know where Bannerman now sits in adoration of his new found political hero and hoped for political patron David Cameron.  So tell me Mr  Farage who was the traitor in UKIP and who the unjustly prosecuted honest supporter wrongly removed from the NEC and MEP slate at your instigation? .

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Greg_L-W. said…

Hi,

for the record and to maintain the continuum of fact as supplied upon my various blogs – where it will be noted there has in 1,000s of entries NEVER been a factual statement made by me on UKIP or any individual connected with UKIP that can be shown to have been materially wrong, misleading or in any way dishonest.

I have to ensure complete inclusion of the record posted Derek HUNNIKIN’s documentation as per the numbered order in which they were supplied at: http://caterpillarsandbutterflies1.blogspot.com/2011/08/one-mans-sabotage-of-noble-cause-by.html For all to read –
There is no need of anyone pestering Derek H. for the many ‘e’Mails and the multiple attachments as it is now readily available at the address above.

It can be downloaded, printed, copied and used in any way individuals may wish to try, even at this late stage, to clean-up UKIP and make it electable by ethical individuals based upon knowledge and facts.

Anyone who has difficulty using the URL as supplied or forgets the whereabouts can go to my main UKIP-vs-EUkip blog and in the Right Side Bar look up Derek HUNNIKIN’s entry and click on it – the whole story will lie before you to read and the URL is easy to remember and can be passed on with ease.
http://ukip-vs-eukip.blogspot.com
I trust this helps provide yet more information with which to clean-up UKIP and make it a part of the solution rather than EUkip’s Farage Fan Club and a part of the problem!
Let us hope this moves OUR Country steadily towards the exit to Leave-The-EU

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

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Thx Greg for putting Derek’s dossier up on your blog.

Its a valuable resource for any who want to find out the extent of the damage to UKIP done by Farage and his Cabal over many years.

As you say it will save Derek answering many emails.

I trust you are recovering your health.

28 August 2011 01:17

Blogger Greg_L-W. said…

Hi,

thanks for the well wishes. Despite 3 months of chemo and 20 doses of Radio Therapy it would seem they have failed to make me one fraction as ill as they had expected nor even lose my hair!!

I do not advocate the energy levels such treatment leaves in its wake but without the treatment I would have lost my 13 year battle with cancer in about June or July!

The one lesson to learn for others is that life is much too short for cheap wine and there is no doubt laughter is the best medicine, particularly when self deprecating!!

As to The Hunnikin documents – as you will appreciate many of them can be found as individual documents on the Right SideBar of:
http://UKIP-vs-EUkip.blogspot.com
Derek Hunnikin’s compilation is in full also – via his name in The Right Side Bar.

As at now I would contend that UKIP is so corrupt and corrupted as to be unfit for purpose and a part of the problem with no part in its solution.

WITHOUT radical change I am of the opinion that a vote or any support for UKIP is an act of treachery in betrayal of these United Kingdoms and its values and liberty.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

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#0635* – Good Editing Provides an EXCELLENT FARAGE PARTY VIDEO

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#0635* – Good Editing Provides an EXCELLENT FARAGE PARTY VIDEO

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What a pity UKIP makes itself look like a one man band for lack of LEADERSHIP!

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What a tragedy that UKIP without competent leadership has so totally failed to have its message heard with no vision, no strategy & no training they are sadly destined to continue to be irrelevant – merely a fig leaf of democracy in a collapsing centralised dictatorship.

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#0633* – 2 Days Late UKIP Catches Up With Its Own Voters!

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#0633* – ” Days Late UKIP Catches Up With Its Own Voters!

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Members say ‘No’ to PEP

Thursday, 18th August 2011

The results of UKIP’s Pan-European Party ballot have been announced by Returning Officer Steve Allison.

TWO DAYS after they were published on this blog and on Junius and subsequently on various Forums – I guess the problem was how to lay the ground for another vote, so that like The EU the self serving leadership could orchestrate a THIRD vote to get what they wanted having failed twice showing how out of step with the members they are!

Farage has quite clearly lost what little mandate he had having made a fool of himself in Buckingham, found guilty in Court regarding the lies and bullying of Sinclaire, befouled UKIP with Mark Croucher and Annabelle Fuller and others on his personal pay roll, been rejected on the issue of AV, provided a catastrophic outcome in the local elec tions, failed to show the slightest signs of professionalising UKIP regardless of his endless failed promises.

Clearly this latest vote shows Farage and his parasites are completely out of touch! Again and again it has been proven that as a performing monkey he is usually excellent but that he hasn’t one scrap of leadership skills, lacks any aspect of OQ and has stifled the party by failure to work with others. Only the weak and sycophants ever make good the people who may have shone along side of Farage are without fail sabotaged and removed – just look at the trash that passes for staff and leadership in UKIP today!

Little wonder Farage is held in such contempt by the informed and by adults with experience who are not using him as a route to the gravy train!

After the votes had been counted, the result was announced at 4pm on August 16 with the following results:

Total valid votes cast 7,696
Turnout  49.2%

Yes 2535 (32.9%)
No 5161 (67.1%)

lets look at just how dishonest The YES campaigners are without even considering the liar, cheat and low life Mick McGough’s contribution.

That UKIP rigs internal elections is irrefutable – Consider Douglas Denny who was voted out as returning officer for having deliberately corrupted a so called leadership election for Nigel Farage. CLICK HERE

Annabelle Fuller’s outright lies campaigning for Farage: CLICK HERE. Or Croucher’s undeniable dishonesty to rig an election for his sponsor Farage.

See even UKIP’s returning officers report: CLICK HERE

Then UKIP leadership get annoyed when doubted! Having a long history of corruption and dishonesty – Be minded of howmany are still under investigation by OLAF & of course there are those who have been found guilty and sent to prison and those who have been found guilty and had to repay substantial sums of money fraudullently obtained including Jeffrey Titford, Nigel Farage, Derek Clark, Tom Wise, Graham Booth to name a few!

Party Chairman Steve Crowther said:

“We have had a clear statement of the members’ opinion, and can now move on.

There was a clear statement of member’s opinion at the party conference where they resoundingly rejected membership of PEPPs but in true EU style UKIP leadership decided to hold a corrupt re-run to try to get a different result!

This has been an excellent example of party democracy in action,

NO it was a costly farce forced on the members to try to enrich and aggrandise Nigel Farage – who amongst other things seemingly hoped to be in the running as a super MEP under the terms of The Duff Report!

and I would like to thank all the participants, on both sides, for the civilised way in which it was conducted.

There was nothing civilised about having a re-run in the first place nor about the dishonesty of Mick McGough and Stuart Agnew in the way they lied for gain on behalf of Farage’s personal ambitions.

I would also like to thank the Vice-Chairman, Steve Allison, for running the thing so smoothly.

Running?

“It is important to remember that we are all, fundamentally, on the same side.

It is hard to believe this when one looks at the antics of UKIP leadership who seem far more interested in themselves than in UKIP, other than as a vehicle or these United Kingdoms other than as their personal Milch Cow!

We may disagree on the tactics,

We note the absolute lack of vision, training, plan or Strategy and the footling tactics that are presented are all too often crass or venal.

but we all share the same goal

This is hard to believe when so many of us want to Leave-The-EU yet UKIP does almost nothing of any substance or gravitas towards that aim – endlessly squabbling to gain better seats on the gravy train and their snouts deeper in the troughs!

and can be enormously proud of what we have already achieved.

Do try to catalogue a single solitary achievement UKIP can lay claim to that has materially moved these United Kingdoms a fraction of an inch closer to leaving the EU in their 18 years of sequential parasitic failure!

“Our message is now not only the mainstream view in this country but,

Hardly something UKIP can lay claim to when so much has been done by others – be that Dan Hannan, Declan Ganley, Margaret Thatcher, Neil & Glynys Kinnock, Christopher Booker, Dr. Richard North, Bernard Connolley, Norris McWhirter, Elizabeth Becket, Harry Randall, Harold Hoffman or even people like myself who have relentlessly exposed and attacked The EU and sought our freedom as a Sovereign State over many years – ALL of the UKIP MEPs put together have not achieved a fraction of that which Nikki Sinclaire has actually achieved!

increasingly, the view of ordinary people across Europe.

That has been the case for many years with people like Declan Ganley, Le Pen and the like – even whole Countries like Norway, Iceland, Switzerland or even Holland, France & Ireland who voted against the new constitution.

Frankly what other Countries chose is no concern of mine nor should it be any part of UKIP’s – I want no part of being in The EU and as a believer in Self Determination and Democracy I have no desire to impose my Country’s view on others as regards how they Govern themselves.

As we will see at Conference, it is now attracting increasing numbers of influential people to our cause.

Might you mean the pornographer’s goffer at The Express?

Let’s put this debate behind us and show the world that we are a powerful, unified force.”

Would anyone be brave enough to bet this decision will be allowed to stand without wheeding efforts to bypass it. I see no announcement that Godfrey Bloom will be leaving his current PEPP which he apparently chairs! Nor have we noted Farage renouncing association in The Pan EU Political Party Grouping he chairs with The EFD Group.

Effectively the vote is already being ignored by UKIP’s corrupt leadership and its parasites.

Leader of the ‘Yes’ campaign Stuart Agnew said:

“I would like to congratulate Trevor Colman and his team on an emphatic outcome. As a team player I would never want to go against the wishes of the membership,

This is a lie – the grubby little cheat outright stated that whatever the outcome he would join a PEPP.
SUBSEQUENTLY he was ORDERED to issue a statement ameliorating his natural corruption.

especially those in the Eastern region, and will abide by the result,

So a potential get out clause! where it can be claimed that those in the Eastern Region voted to join because the puppet Regional Committee owned by Agnew will do as it is told as it is made out of people largely without integrity, ethics or morality.

as I pledged during the campaign.

NO – Agnew clearly stated on the record that he would join a PEPP regardless of the democratic wishes of the members.

“Longer term we may have to consider what will happen if the Duff Report is passed

Already the revisionist excuses materialise!

and we face a second, Pan-European, ballot paper in the European Election, or indeed a Referendum.

So the hint here is that in accord with the utterly corrupt lack of democratic principles of The EU – UKIP will seemingly just keep holding votes until they get the result that makes the leadership the most money!

“In the meantime, however, I’m glad we have a clear result.”

I may be a tad cynical but I tend to judge based upon track record! Frankly I believe this is a lie – just as Stuart Agnew & Mick McGough lied to UKIP members to try to con them into voting YES.

Frankly who cares how The EU runs its affairs – the job of UKIP is to withdraw and not keep helping the EU by providing them with a cloak of democracy whilst co-operating on all counts in return for the bribes!

Leader of the ‘No’ campaign Trevor Colman said:

“I have been asked to comment on the significance of Tuesday’s ballot count where UKIP membership roundly rejected involvement in a Pan European party by more than two to one.

For the Second Time and at a cost of £10,000+

“The result indicates how far the Party

Farage & his parasites seeking income and prefferment via participating in The EU scams in return for the personal gains!

has moved from the grassroots and is a timely reminder that further continued entanglement in EU structures will not be tolerated and rightly so.

Sadly I lack Trevor’s conviction! UKIP has very clearly become EUkip under its present leadership and little wonder that 2 to 1 of the membership have seen through Nigel Farage’s antics – his 3 speeches, his ill considered attacks on individuals in The EU Parliament where he is merely laughed at and ignored.

“Britain should be where the Party concentrates its greatest efforts with EU parliamentary activity cut to the absolute minimum.

Not for as long as EUkip leadership team can whore and booze their way around Brussels and Strasbourgh will that be likely to happen – just look at the value of the bribes received for compliance with The EU scam.

It is here, in the streets and meeting places of Britain, that we will eventually win this fight, not in the committee rooms and chambers of Brussels.

The Grass Roots and members have shown they know that but the self serving leadership and the wannabes clearly are not listening!

Future Party strategy should reflect this.

Of course but we all know, based upon a 100% consistent track record that there is no strategy!

The members have spoken.

So what will be the attitude of the corrupt!

They must not be ignored.”

They have been to date! One need only look at how EUkip and its lackeys have lied, bullied and berrated anyone who has dared to expose them – viz: Nikki Sinclaire, Gregg Beaman, Linda Guest, Petrina Holdsworth, John West, Richard Suchorzewski, Niall Warry, myself and others.

Just look at the lies and attacks mounted on Junius and I and the endless accusations when it has been shown time and time again that the liars and low lifes of EUkip have NEVER ONCE shown a single solitary lie or misrepresentation of any material consequence that I have EVER deliberately told on any subject EVER. That does not seem to stop EUkip trying to drag what is left of the reputation of UKIP into the gutter they inhabit with their endless cheating, lies and defamation as their only defence of their vile behaviour.

Party Leader Nigel Farage said:

“In the light of this result we must hope that the Duff Report does not pass in the European Parliament this autumn.

Sad bitter little man serving up sour grapes to his own membership as he sees his hopes of £1Million a year additional income and a position as a super MEP potentially slipping away.

Just check out Farage’s donations record relative to the substantial fortune he has earned to realise for whom he is working!

The Duff Report should have absolutely no relevance to a genuine UKIP supporter as genuine UKIP supporters are working NOT for change as reformists but to Leave-The-EU – Who cares how these Continentals choose to Govern themselves lets face it it is almost 2000 years since they held much sway on the planet – not since The Roman Empire have they had overly much relevance – part of the reason for the EUro was that the French were fed up at having a totally irrelevant currency around the globe on a par with The Italian Lire, The Greek Dracma and the Spanish Peseta – Woopy Doo!

If it does, we have just disqualified ourselves from 50% of the ballot papers to be issued.

This is a completely dishonest misrepresentation of the facts. UKIP was elected to make the tortuous and undemocratic processes of The EU clear to the peoples of these United Kingdoms not exploit them for self enrichment and obfusscation!

That makes winning rather difficult.”

Who cares if The EU wants 25 more MEPs or 25,000 MEPs – UKIP is there to disassociate these United Kingdoms NOT to join the mouse wheel and chase the cheese!
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#0632* – UKIP Vote NO to PEPPs 2 to 1

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 17/08/2011

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UKIP Vote NO to PEPPs 2 to 1!
Wriggle & Squirm but Farage’s EFD Position is ETHICALLY Untenable!

Stuart Agnew’s blatantly stated disregard for members must call into question when will he resign his seat!

Clearly a serial liar and low life like Mick McGough has no place in any ethical organisation!

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Hi,

Although this blog & others I am associated with published the results provisionally at 14:30hrs. yesterday you will note that today even a further 24 hours later UKIP has not published its results on its web site to inform its members.

The actual result was a win for the NO vote, as we earlier stated:
Yes 2,535 (32.9%)
No 5,161 (67.1%)

Turn Out 49.2%

I am rather pleased at the accuracy of my public prediction last week that I expected around 7.1/2 thousand voters which would represent between 2/3rds. and 3/4 of the extant membership. This, as predicted turned out to be true with 7,696 votes cast.
We were however wrong in our predictions not realising just how large an effect the internet has had on the event, but it is now clear that as a result of the various blogs informing people of the lies of Mick McGough in support of the yes campaign:


From Steve Allison

From steve allison
to Stuart Agnew MEP
cc Mick McGough
cc Trevor Colman MEP
cc Steve Crowther
Date 19.06.2011

Stuart,

I have received a complaint regarding the video.

Specifically the complaint refers to the claim by Mick McGough that he “has in his hand a cheque for £300,000 payable to UKIP”

The No campaign claim the money CANNOT be paid to UKIP.

Can you please confirm that the claim that the money can be paid from a PEP direct to UKIP is accurate.

If you cannot confirm this is a factually accurate statement then I must ask for the video to be withdrawn until a suitable correction of fact can be made.

Steve Allison
Vice Chairman UKIP.

Also the reprehensible comments of Stuart Agnew informing his audience that effectively he didn’t care what the outcome of the vote would be he was going to join a PEPP regardless as he could make more money and that Godfrey Bloom had already joined one in the certain knowledge that the membership, at the party conference, had resoundingly rejected the scam.

I was wrong on my prediction that it would be a close run thing with maybe as little as 2% either way in the result – I really didn’t realise just how much influence the truth would have on the members, you only need to read the in house Farage Fanzine The Independence Magazine to realise that was not where they were accessing the truth.

Clearly the activists and the ‘armchair vote’ alike have been keeping themselves aware of the dishonesty of the leadership via the blogs.

I guess we should not be as surprised as Mick McGough is not the only one who has made it very clear that he is a regular reader of both Junius and UKIP-vs-EUkip blogs on which he frequently comments and quotes, he even posts himself occasionally.

I guess all that leaves me to say to our regular readers and followers – Thank You for this little personal triumph in the efforts to Clean-Up UKIP to make it a party that ethical informed individuals may one day be willing to vote for to Leave-The-EU.

Let us hope that Farage and his parasites clinging on like maggots on a corpse realise their scam is dead in the water and rapidly withdraw from membership of the extremist, racist, anti Jewish and vile Pan EU Political Party EFD Group.

As soon as Farage is willing to forgo the extra income he makes and UKIP MEPs can be permitted to act in the interest of the electorate and Britain with control of their own 400 budget (formerly 4000 budget), their own travel allowances and staffing budgets and represent Britain in their own right on committees and ‘missions’ rather than have the allocation of travel and committees used as bribes to buy in members to the group to boost the group leaders income and personal control.

Enough of personality politics it has proved divisive and an abject failure for UKIP – where the leadership seemingly have utterly lost sight of the aim, which was to actively campaign to inform on the details of the damage done to Britain by membership of The EU, divise an exit and survival strategy and actively campaign to fulfil that strategy – NOT as a scam for self enrichment and Isle of Mann bank accounts and posturing on the gravy train with their snouts in the trough.

 
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#0631* – UKIP MEMBERS REJECT PEPP MEMBERSHIP 19:30hrs. 16-Aug-2011

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#0631* – UKIP MEMBERS REJECT PEPP MEMBERSHIP 19:30hrs. 16-Aug-2011

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UKIP MEMBERS REJECT PEPP MEMBERSHIP 19:30hrs. 16-Aug-2011

Hi,

It would seem that UKIP members have voted resoundingly against Farage’s recommendation – his political ineptitude in trying to force the support of The EU on members for his personal gain has backfired.

Having chosen two dishonest men to front his pro PEPP campaign with the fraudster Stuart Agnew EFD & NFU MEP and the liar and cheat Mick McGough. Farage made a terrible mistake as it became apparent to the membershiop that they were being deliberately lied to by their leadership – so much so that they were forced to withdraw some of their excesses and remake their video to remove some of the lies!

That this debate was forced on the party when Farage had resoundingly lost the support of members at last years conference and an overwhelming vote against membership of PEPPs was passed leading to Farage’s accusation that Trevor Colman having won had just cost him (Farage) £1 Million a year!

To try to save face Farage has not only cost UKIP over £10,000 in organising the debate & vote but has deeply split the party leaving those who lied to support him with no honourable course of action other than to resign and leaving Farage in a ludicrous position!

Farage has fractured his party, divided his leadership and surrendered his mandate as leader – this on top of a £10,000 bill and a catastrophic local elections in May all based upon his crass personal lack of leadership skills.

To add to this he is now in the embarrassing position that he has forced out of UKIP leadership Mike Nattrass, Trevor Colman & Nikki Sinclaire as they were unwilling to cohabit with Farage’s chosen extremist, racist, anti Jewish and violent EFD Pan EU Political Party Group!

How can Farage be taken seriously ever again having made such a mess of his job and so betrayed his members? No informed individual could still believe he was much more than a puppet for The EU filling the role that it seems he was invented for – an opposition giving spurious credibility to the pretence The EU is in any way democratic.

Today even The EU are losers as it seems clear that UKIP members have seen through their scam and Farage is left discreditted. Will The EU dump their blue eyed boy and invent another puppet to posture and pose as an opposition whilst sabotaging the credibility of The EUroSceptic wing of The Tory Party?

Clearly UKIP members have voted against membership of The EFD and wisely so but will their leadership in arrogant greed merely dismiss the members as the buffoon Michael Greaves did, stating his master’s view that UKIP Members are too stupid to understand the issues!

Farage has put himself into a corner, where his party has voted resoundingly against his leadership, and he has no honourable choice but to withdraw from leadership of The EFD, immediately suspending UKIP membership of The Pan EU Political Party EFD Group – Pending notification to The EU that UKIP has terminated its membership – UKIP MEPs have no honourable choice but to sit as Unattached Members of The EU Parliament – a status where you may recal Nikki Sinclaire showed the lead as clearly more in touch with the members than Farage and his claque of parasites.

I note that over 5 hours after the vote result was in the public domain on my blogs, on Twitter and on Junius there is no sign of letting the membership at large know with no announcement, comment or apology on the UKIP Web Site, The No Campaign Web Page or The Yes Campaign Web Page respectively.

Is it that the leadership are licking their wounds and trying to dream up a story to cover for this catastrophe they have engineered for themselves?

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