Childish Language & Style of UKIP Glasgow not withstanding the fact that it has been hacked by some foul mouthed fool and clearly there are many of those in UKIP Leadership and its parasites!!
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The party’s website listing of the item says: “Antique skin, with head, of a lioness shot in Zimbabwe. (Reserve £200) Donated by Geoffrey Clark (who did not shoot it!).”
A party spokesman said: “We appreciate that such an item is not to everybody’s taste.
“The lion head and skin is an antique which was donated to the party by a member. The member in question originally received it as a gift following a stint working in Zimbabwe.
“It is approximately 45 to 50 years old and came into the country long before modern day legislation was in place to halt such imports.”
Ms MacSween expressed “shock and horror” and said the auction was “in the worst possible taste”.
“UKIP has not only accepted this trophy in as an auction item, but now they want to earn money from it,” she said.
“You don’t sell trophies onwards. Secondly, anyone who bids for that trophy is also exhibiting the worst possible taste here. Thirdly, buying trophies stimulates the market for more lions to be hunted.”
‘Trophy hunting’
She called for UKIP to remove the item from the auction list and for it to be confiscated and a full investigation to be conducted as to how it came into the UK.
“Maybe it did come in through a legal means, but we are working so very, very hard with a lot of politicians both in Europe and in the UK, cross party, to try and get trophy hunting stopped,” she said.
Will Travers, chief executive of the Born Free Foundation, also condemned the auction.
“Born Free is not interested in politics. It is interested in animal conservation and animal welfare,” he said.
“Selling animal trophies of any kind – whether it be lion, rhino or tiger – draws attention to the trade and may stimulate unscrupulous dealings.
“Therefore we would urge all parties, from whatever persuasion, to abandon ideas of selling wildlife for political gain.”
The auction is due to take place on Friday evening during the gala, which is part of the party’s annual conference.
Having been in The Durrell Research Facility in Jersey at the weekend I was interested to note that WWF have spent a part of their budget collected in from people for the protection of endangered species yet they have spent the money on sponsoring/supporting the killing of elephants.
The foolish part of UKIP leadership action was in fact describing the ornamental trophy pelt as antique!!! which it clearly is not.
Lions are NOT a protected species as such though they are protected in some areas – that an animal was shot and killed is in itself not a problem as it may well have been an elderly animal predating domestic cattle on the outskirts of Bulawayo for all we know and the knee jerk reactive comments of the imbecilic are what so rightly brings the entire so called ‘Green’ movement into disrepute.
It may surprise some that lions are prolific breeders and as with an orchid on a bowling green nothing more than a damned nuissance in the wrong place!
Also it is worth noting that lions are not immortal and 100s live in captivity and may well be quite legitimately stuffed or form trophy pelts when they die.
There is also an entire industry which has been exposed by Daniel Foggo over the years which organises trophy shooting for inadequates with money – much of this is the shooting of lions as they are abundant and they are caged in large open pens and wealthy inadequates pay to follow them for a couple of hundred yards and then shoot them in the secure knowledge that there is a professional gun either side of them to kill the beast if it turns and the client is at danger!
It happens that this week there was just such a story in The Sunday Times see: CLICK HERE.
This beast was shot in Zambia for money with a hired gun, and it was most probably a penned animal and may well have been circus stock bred in captivity, now surplus to requirement. The industry does at least feed numerous africans who may well starve without the work!
There are many consequential issues that UKIP and particularly its leadership can legitimately be castigated for but this example of their stupidity is hardly of any consequence and surely shows nothing more than the utter incompetence of their PR, Press Office and judgement YET AGAIN.
More harm has come from UKIP’s Press Office and the garbage they have employed there than has EVER been noted by their achievements!
UKIP Led by Farage is Just A “Grubby Little Organisation”! So says pop idle Duncan Bruce! Well I guess with posters like the liars and cheats Mick McGough, Douglas Denny, John Ison, Mark Croucher, Ray Finch, Paul Nuttall and the like Duncan Bruce isn’t far wrong!!
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Nigel Farage’s arrival on stage at the Ukip conference was accompanied by Chumbawamba‘s Tubthumping. Photograph: Frantzesco Kangaris/EPA
Anarchist pop band Chumbawamba expressed horror after their anthem to resilience, Tubthumping (I Get Knocked Down), was used at the Ukip conference in Eastbourne, East Sussex.
Band member Dunstan Bruce said his reaction to the news was one of:
“total and absolute outrage and horror”.
He suggested that the party must have been unaware of the band’s background.
“This song being used by Ukip is so wrong. I am absolutely appalled that this grubby little organisation are stealing our song to use for their own ends. It’s beyond the pale and if they use it again we will consider legal action.”
To view the rest of the article CLICK HERE For more details of the conference see last year – much the same with the same 400 presented as near double that rattling around in an oversized facility with a platform to promote the EU’s aims with irrelevant foreign politicians and the normal little claque of Farage sychophants clamouring for attention to get a hand up onto the Gravy Train.
Sad really when you realise whist the whole of UKIP has been so badly led they have done nothing whilst those who really seek to Leave-The-EU have gone out and helped Nikki Sinclaire as an independent to get over 100,000 signatures and driven her campaign vehicles and ad vans 1,000s of miles working on a daily basis towards the Leave-The-EU cause – whilst the Judas Goats and Plastic EUroSceptics were merely helping The EU and routing around in the trough for more money for themselves!
It seems that UKIP has so lost the plot that their only means of defending themselves is not to show their achievements but to abuse and lie about anyone who tells the truth about them or does not endlessly worship their ineptitude. . .
UKIP / EFD Conference Puts EUkip Out on A Limb! Making Legal Fools of Themselves! Whilst Obviously with Leadership UKIP could have done so well capitalising on Farage whilst he was controlled for Britain’s Benefit!
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After the embarrassing debacle of the EFD Conference and the day allocated to UKIP with its more of the same soundbites, same grouping of about 400 sold as many more and as ever implausible speeches – right down to the elderly failed Tory wheeled out on stage as the only apparent turn they could muster.
Save of course the efforts to wheel Jon Gaunt out as their Judas Goat, having failed totally to achieve anything of substance – in fact having failed to even keep his organisation up to date or with an executive staff anymore! – I’ll grant you it had been professionally & deliberately sabotaged by those Plastic EUroSceptics who having been denied the right to politically control and be in political command and make political capital for themselves set out themselves as Judas Goats to hijack the Peoples’ Pledge and turn it once again into The Politicians’ vehicle!
They lack even the gonnadic ability to admit that The Pledge has failed be it the original Pledge which Jon Gaunt has now jumped on the band waggon of seemingly a career move, possibly even hoping for a job with UKIP as with poor old Neil Hamilton!!!
Then of course there is that other failure the Marc Glendenning, Bob Crow, Labour inspired Judas Goat that has been set up as The Politicians’ vehicle with Dan Hannon and the like who seek to embarrass David Cameron.
That too has failed and crano rectally retentive as these self serving fools are preening in the mirror can they not understand they are making fools of themselves as severall weeks ago it was announced that The Petition Campaign for an in/out Referendum had reached the 100,000 target required and some whilst the Judas Goats were squabbling and trying to gain the upper hand with less than 50,000 signatures – Whilst they squabbled like Politicians the real work had been done by The Independent Nikki Sinclaire MEP with a small group of cross party MPs and MEPs THEY DELIVERED whilst the Plastic EUroSceptics acted like Judas Goats to sabotage the Petition concept THEY FAILED.
On Thursday last Nikki Sinclaire MEP and her supporters DELIVERED 100,000+ Signatures to Drowning Street and officially to The Rump Parliament at Westminster.
I note with interest Team Farage have systematically shot themselves in the foot – It was their well publicised intent to bring Nikki Sinclaire back into the fold having found themselves at risk of a staggeringly costly High Court action with the huge damages potential to follow!
As I predicted – an apology was issued to ameliorate the guilty verdict where the Courts found against Nigel Farage, Godfrey Bloom and UKIP in favour of Nikki Sinclaire.
I predicted huge efforts would be made to try to capitalise on her achievements since she disassociated herself from the extremist and vile EFD Group and the Farage Party Faction’s persuit of personal revenue!
I predicted all would be overtures UNTIL the EFD Conference was over (YES EFD as UKIP was willing to jump through any EU hoop and give the EU dream [Nightmare] credibility in return for the EU funding their conference!) – I then said the pretend deal would start to unravel.
It may amuse watchers of the sordid dishonesty of UKIP Leadership claque that they made much of TRYING to portray Nikki Sinclaire as unfit by virtue of a technical bankruptcy which Farage’s gutter rat had routed out in the sewers of his life – for which he, Mark Croucher, tried to claim glory when it was years earlier that I had provided the details and the fact that it was a complete irrelevancy pre dating her appointment to any office.
Strangely it has been made clear and deliberately leaked that UKIP will, if Nikki Sinclaire proceeds to The High Court, claim they suspended her right to represent UKIP BECAUSE she was once years ago a bankrupt.
Intertestingly this just won’t wash and digs the hole even deeper for UKIP!
Firstly it was public domain, irrelevant and common knowledge that she had been bankrupt when Nigel Farage as leader selected her as a candidate in an MEP constituency. Yet astonishingly the febrile excuse for his having lied about her and defamed her to get rid of her as a UKIP MEP when he forced his puppet Malcolm Pearson to write that scurrilous letter and outright lie was that she had to be removed as she had once in the past been a bankrupt and that she was discharged as a bankrupt years ago was irrelevant.
This was used as the excuse for firing her yet not firing Mike Nattrass or Trevor Colman who had also had sufficient integrity to leave the racist, extremist and violent EFD Group, yet not firing them!
So I guess Neil Hamilton will mnever be able to be an MEP or on The NEC and of course he will have to be fired from his position as the new Muppet of Wiltshire or whatever Farage calls his Branch/Regional appointed Chairmen who have never been elected and get parachuted in for his gain!
Although Neil Hamilton has been a member of UKIP for 6 years and is a Bankrupt Farage has a rule for people he can make money out of and another rule for people who challenge his corruption I guess!
Well it is The Farage Fund Raising Party I guess – but I guess that will cost UKIP members 10s of £1,000 when it comes to the High Court but why should Farage worry when UKIP received £8,500 compensation for an error in The Sunday Times that of course will have gone to Farage and when the Bills come in for his many lost Court cases those Bills go to the members!
What a charlatan Nigel Farage is but as I have always said Farage is UKIP’s greatest liability with his salaried sex life, drunken thieves on the staff, consorting with prostitutes and well known drunken reveries but he is also their only assett as he has made sure by surrounding himself with the weak, the venal and the corrupt, liars, cheats and bullies.
Not one of the leadership team is other than the scum that has risen in the septic tank Farage has built.
He is however quite a good performer all be it a uselesas leader as this video shows: .
UKIP Conference & Its True Calliber! Displayed in all its failed values & Grubby Greed!! .
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do excuse me for having failed to post for a few days but knowing The EFD (Friday) & UKIP (Saturday) Party Conference were on and well aware it would just be a repeat of the sound bites of such events in UKIP I felt it to be an appropriate time to spend a few days away (which we never announce in advance 😉
On return today I note from the many reports that the event almost totally lived down to prediction with the only real highlight being the number of people observed congratulating Nikki Sinclaire MEP, now an Independent who alone (with her team) and a little help from Mike Nattrass MEP & Trevor Colman MEP now that they have disassociated themselves from the vile extremism of The Pan EU Political EFD Group, she has achieved far more towards raising serious awareness and having delivered a petition of over 100,000 signatures at Drowning Street, in Petition towards an In/Out Referendum to Leave-The-EU has out performed the Plastic EUroSceptics and Judas Goats so prevalent in The Tories and amongst EUkip leadertship.
Itt is clear they have very little desire to Leave-The-EU as their income streams & bribes would cease and pension funds would collapse having been dishonestly gained.
It was almost amusing to watch the true supporters wishing to Leave-The-EU making every effort to curry favour with her and making every effort to welcome her and seek to convince her to return and those who felt their incomes and positions challenged doing all they could to avoid her – Farage included, even the stupid woman who in her ill mannered ignorance felt it incumbent on her to berate Sinclaire for her efforts – amusingly no one knew who the foolish woman was! Well she must have done a lot for UKIP and the cause of leaving the EU!
Nikki Sinclaire’s Petition as a concrete action to Leave-The-EU speaks so much more clearly than all of EUkip’s fluffy words and efforts to ReForm The EU, with their various extremist partners over the years.
Sadly there was absolutely nothing else of worth or merit to report from a very lack luster conference with around 400 in attendance and many of the same soundbites of recent previous years, the same calliber of low lifes and self serving scoundrels making the same noises to great adulation from a handfull of gullible followers mostly hoping for preferment or at very least crumbs from the table in some cases like Mick McGough and the like in return for their lies and willingness to show themselves for the unpleasant and dishonest people they most clearly are, like maggots and flies on a dung heap with their strutting poppinjay crowing from on top.
A coalition ally of Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi has provoked outrage after he praised the rantings of Norwegian right-wing terrorist Anders Behring Breivik.
Mario Borghezio, an MEP with the anti-immigration Northern League party, who have campaigned against Muslims and the building of mosques, said Breivik had some ‘excellent’ ideas.
Speaking on an Italian radio show he said he agreed with the maniac’s ‘opposition to Islam and his explicit accusation that Europe has surrendered before putting up a fight against its Islamisation.’
‘Excellent’ ideas: Mario Borghezio, an Italian MEP for the anti-immigration Northern League party, left, said he agreed with terrorist mass-murderer Anders Breivik, right, on his views about Muslim immigrants and Islam in Europe
Though Borghezio added that he did not however agree with the use of extreme violence, or Breivik’s anti-Papal views, his comments immediately unleashed a storm of fury with his own party apologising to still grieving Norway.
Northern League chief Roberto Calderoli said: ‘His comments are terrible and completely unqualified and we can only apologise to the families of the victims for the delirium of what he said.’
The Northern League is a key ally of Berlusconi’s ruling right-wing coalition and, although the prime minister did not comment personally, members of his party also rounded on Mr Borghezio.
Carlo Giovanardi, an MP for the Christian Democratic Party, said: ‘Is it too much to ask for our Northern League friends to throw Borghezio out of their party?
‘We have vain hopes he will resign for what he said but that is unlikely to happen.’
Italy’s Foreign Minister Franco Frattini also stepped into the row over Borghezio’s comments and said: ‘He should offer Norway his personal apologies.
‘We as a government cannot intervene directly with an MEP – but we have made it very clear that the best course of action would be for him to make a personal apology.
‘His own party has disassociated themselves from him and that is a very important sign – he must feel the duty to say himself that he is sorry for what he said.
‘Any message of racism, xenophobia and exclusion or which leads to an incitement of violence or an emulation of violence must be condemned.’
Horror: This picture shows Breivik stalking Utoya island, surrounded by the bodies of his young victims, with one in the water pleading for his life
Terror: Debris is seen on the street after the car bomb planted by Breivik detonated outside a government building in Oslo
Today internet forums were ablaze with furious comments against Borghezio with one popular post saying that he ‘needs to be locked up in a mental asylum and have the key thrown away.’
But there were some comments in his favour with some saying he was ‘speaking the truth’ and calling on the Northern League to ‘support him instead of attack him’.
A new headache: Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi is still reeling from national debt problems and a string of high profile scandals
Borghezio himself was unrepentant and added: ‘I said what I said because I have the impression this massacre has a purpose, I don’t think this lunatic meant his act to have this outcome.
‘What we should ask ourselves is how can someone who was supposed to have been on a watch list been allowed to go around and do what he did?
‘Christians should not be sacrificial animals – they should be defended.’
Borghezio has a long history of anti-immigration campaigning – in 2005 he was found guilty of arson, after setting fire to pallets of some migrants sleeping under a bridge in Turin during a vigilante raid.
The centre-left opposition called for Borghezio to resign from the European Parliament.
David Sassoli, an MEP with Italy’s Democratic Left opposition, said: ‘It is a matter of shame for all of us that a representative of the ruling coalition made apologetic remarks about one of the cruelest acts of terrorism.’
UKIP supporters and those genuinely anti EU membership are clearly far from happy with the attrocious behaviour of Nigel Farage and his claque in his extremist EFD Group and when one then finds these self same scum of EU Politics turning up as guest speakers at UKIP events and are minded that The EFD members represent each other on EU Committees it is clear that with Farage and his leadership claque UKIP has no meaningful future acting on behalf of informed British people.
UKIP would seem to be determined to move itself from being a possible part of the solution to being a very clear part of the problem.
No one could reasonably say that Nigel Farage is other than a good performer and Liga one of the prostitutes with whom he was well publicised cavorting, as with Annabelle they have been both explicit and graphic in describing him as a good performer.
However I have never heard anyone with one wit of judgement, that could be respected, describe him as having any of the OQ (Officer Qualities) essential for a leader. He is an attrocious judge of character and it seems a worse strategic or tactical planner with no vision for the future much beyond his various scams, bank accounts and zip!
Yet again we have further provenance of his lack of integrity, self serving dishonesty and undeniable corruption – that is not for a moment to gain say he is UKIP’s greatest asset – sadly that is more a reflection on the low calliber of those he has gathered around him than of his abilities – a good sound bite man, a well rehearsed speaker and his scripts are well performed.
Sadly it is undeniable that he is both untrustworthy and untrusted as shown in the exchanges below from the UKIP controlled Forum managed by the weak, dishonest and venal Anthony Butcher in default of the political career he so aspired to!
the Northern League and UKIP are the two largest parties in EFD, each with 9 MEPs in the group out of a group total of 27 MEPs. And the leader of the Northern League MEPs – and co-president of EFD – is Francesco Speroni, who is one of the two MEPs to have made these astonishing remarks supportive of Norway’s worst ever mass murderer. So when Farage quite rightly demands a retraction and apology for the remarks, or else UKIP will suspend its EFD membership, he may well be signalling the end of the EFD group.
Compare your last sentence quoted above with what is actually happening. It took just 24 hours for the back-tracking to start!
Remember:
Speroni was directly quoted by the Guardian, saying:
“Breivik’s ideas are in defence of western civilisation”,and“I’m with Borghezio. I don’t think he should resign. If [Breivik’s] ideas are that we are going towards Eurabia and those sorts of things, that western Christian civilisation needs to be defended, yes, I’m in agreement”.
In a statement on 28 July, UKIP said Nigel Farage had contacted Speroni, his EFD co-president,
“to demand an immediate retraction and apology following his remarks and those of his fellow Northern League MEP Mario Borghezio . . . . If no retraction is forthcoming then UKIP will suspend its membership of the EFD group in which it sits alongside the Italian political party”.
On 29 July, UKIP’s follow up statement said Speroni had written to Farage saying that he condemns the massacre and the extreme fundamentalism in question – an addition to his earlier remarks.
Has Speroni withdrawn the statements he made in support of Borghezio?
No, he has not.
Has Speroni retracted his agreement with Breivik’s ideas?
No, he has not.
Has Speroni apologised?
No, he has not.
Has Nigel Farage suspended UKIP MEPs’ membership of the EFD as he said he would?
Apparently not. It seems Borghezio has been suspended by his party and UKIP says it is satisfied that this
“will send a clear message that they, and we will not have any truck with such disgraceful sentiments now or in the future”.
Farage is convening the EFD next week to suspend Borghezio from the group.
So that’s it. The book thrown at Borghezio; Speroni quietly forgotten. UKIP can trumpet that Farage has taken “prompt action”, and the EFD can survive with the temporary loss of one Italian.
Note that Farage’s demands for “an immediate retraction and apology” from Speroni are for home consumption only. The EFD‘s website doesn’t mention them, or the threat to suspend UKIP MEPs’ membership of the group.
Maybe he wasn’t trying to satisfy Guardian readers in particular, but to satisfy anyone who thinks that the comments made by Mr Borghezio were vile, which is hopefully the vast majority of people all over the world.
An interesting aspect of this is that one of those who has condemned Borghezio’s comments, calling them “terrible, unspeakable remarks”, is the Lega Nord MP and cabinet minister Roberto Calderoli, the man indirectly responsible for UKIP MEPs and their allies expelling the Lega Nord from their previous Independence & Democracy group.
Calderoli was not even an MEP, yet in 2006 his party was expelled from the Ind/Dem following his provocative comments and TV appearance wearing a T-shirt bearing a copy of one of the Danish Muslim cartoons.
There has been no talk of expelling Speroni and Borghezio, whose comments have caused the current outrage; only of UKIP MEPs ‘suspending’ their EFD membership.
And it looks like Farage is welching on even that!
He gave Speroni an ultimatum – make an immediate full retraction and apologise, or we suspend our membership of the group.
Speroni has done neither. He’s stuck two metaphorical fingers up at UKIP’s leader and Farage has backed down, talking now of convening the EFD Bureau to suspend Borghezio instead.
He wouldn’t need to run to the Bureau for consent if he’d kept his word and suspended UKIP’s membership. He could have done that all by himself!
Well that is not so good. What are they doing in the EFD? I didn’t think the Lisbon Treaty had anything to do with either freedom or democracy. In my view that would be far more offensive than something someone said in front of a load of emotional halfwits.
Presentation of the work programme of the Swedish Presidency (debate) 15 July 2009 Francesco Enrico Speroni, on behalf of the EFD Group.
We must overcome the crisis of confidence that undoubtedly exists. The poor turnout at the elections of this Parliament is a symptom of this, and to overcome it, we must act fully in accordance with the will of our electorate. We must also perhaps avoid making comparisons: your country borders Norway; I live near Switzerland. They are outside the European Union, but they live well all the same; they have the same problems, but they are no worse off than us, and here it is important to see and to demonstrate that it is worth having the European Union.
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Multi-annual programme 2010-2014 regarding the area of freedom, security and justice (Stockholm Programme) (debate) 24 November 2009
Mario Borghezio, on behalf of the EFD Group
We need to create a single European legal system if we want to combat, at European level, crime that has become international and moves easily between banks, tax havens, financial markets and movable and fixed assets markets.
Farage is a bleedin idiot. First to come across as Mr Big . . . . and now with bluff called Farage looks like the priick many suspect he has always been.
Quite. At the end of July, following the mass murder of young Norwegians by Anders Behring Breivik, UKIP issued two statements regarding comments made by their MEPs’ EFD colleagues Mario Borghezio and Francesco Speroni. On 28 July, UKIP wrote: “Nigel Farage said:
“Nigel Farage said: “I have written to the leadership of the Northern League party to demand an immediate full retraction and apology. If my request is not met, then we will suspend our membership of the EFD group”.
A clear and unequivocal undertaking.
On 29 July, following Speroni’s reply, UKIP wrote:
“Mr Farage is convening the governing Bureau of the EFD Group in the European Parliament next week in order to suspend Mr Borghezio from his membership of the group”.
Another clear and unequivocal undertaking, yet if Borghezio had retracted and apologised as Farage demanded, why was he to be suspended? And if he had not retracted and apologised, Farage (having suspended UKIP MEPs from the group as stated on July 28), would not then be in a position to convene the Bureau and suspend Borghezio.
So where is the retraction and apology, and on what date and with what outcome was the Bureau convened?
Because despite UKIP’s statements and Nigel Farage’s assurance, UKIP MEPs are still sitting and voting in the European parliament with their EFD colleagues Speroni and Borghezio.
Huffing and puffing empty promises to shut critics up at home; treated with contempt by MEPs he ‘presides’ over in Brussels; and all the time, out of sight of UKIP members, European parliament business as usual.
How utterly despicable!
Do not forget that if you want more details on EFD Group members they are available in the Right SideBar if you CLICK HERE
ALWAYS CHECK the right sidebar for details on people and events first. . .
The Details on a Forum Near You (;-) The BBC attitude is rather predictable almost as predictable as yesterdays Daily Mail which was so clearly out of touch with ACTUAL news!!
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some thouights and an exchange of ideas on a Forum which I contribute to:
The UK Independence Party begins its annual conference on Friday, with leader Nigel Farage arguing that rival parties are hardening their stance towards the European Union.
He told the BBC that UKIP, which wants Britain to leave the EU, was making its cause more “mainstream” among Labour and Tory MPs via its campaigning.
The conference, taking place in Eastbourne, lasts until Saturday.
The ex-minister, who lost his seat in 1997 following the “cash-for-questions” scandal, announced last week that he was joining UKIP and is seeking election to its national executive.
A UKIP spokesman said Mr Hamilton’s actions were those of a “proper Conservative, who is concerned about his country’s relationship with the EU”.
Timo Soini, leader of the Eurosceptic True Finns Party, which gained 19% of the vote at Finland’s general election in April, will also address delegates.
the BBC published this earlier today when I read it I was sad to note that whilst EUkip were merely making noises they had achieved nothing – same old failed Tories, same old contrived publicity but the item of note was that whilst UKIP Leadership are pandering to The EU and helping The EU in any way that will stuff their pockets their membership heartily rejected on a 2 to 1 basis any concept of joining a PEPP and few seem happy to have pandered to The EU to accept the bribe of having their conference paid for by tax payers in return for supplying The EU with a platform – who cares how the Czechs, French, Fins, Latvians, Lithuanians and Luxembourgee wish to be governed that UKIP members must endure the speeches of obscure foreign speakers!
Meanwhile whilst UKIP Leadership have raised their sights a little from Nigel Farage’s testicles and Annabelle Fuller’s drunken antics it was good to see someone was actively pursuing a clear Leave-The-EU agenda.
All be it at the end of the article – I guess you could hardly expect The BBC with its massive soft loans from The EU and hugely propagandised pro EU output to give significance to an actual achievement rather than just a PR hand out but that said they did cover Nikki Sinclaire’s magnificent achievement and presentation of her Petition at Drowning Street of the initial 100,000 signatures for an IN/OUT referendum on membership of The EU:
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Mr Farage, who is in his second stint as leader, stood down before the last general election in a failed bid to win a Westminster seat, but regained the job in last year’s leadership contest.
In May, one of the party’s Euro MPs, Marta Andreasen, called for him to quit for a second time, arguing he had “abjectly failed” to bring about a breakthrough in local elections in England.
The party dismissed this demand as “eccentric and naive”.
It comes as former UKIP MEP Nikki Sinclaire, who now sits as an independent after a bust-up with the party over its alliance with Italy’s Liga Nord party, hands in a 100,000 name petition to Downing Street calling on David Cameron to hold an “in or out” referendum on EU membership.
Ms Sinclaire, who was due to be accompanied by Labour MPs Kelvin Hopkins, Austin Mitchell and Kate Hoey, said “dozens” of the signatories were MPs, many of them Tories.
That only 30% of the population said they would vote to stay in the EU and 52% would vote to Leave-The-EU in the You Gov poll Nikki Sinclaire commissioned and paid for is a hugely significant achievement whilst UKIP leadership continue squabbling and posing to keep their snouts in the troughs on the gravy train with 18 years behind them and not ONE concrete achievement to Leave-The-EU to show for it!
Well done Sinclaire and her many supporters from all parties and none!
Regards, Greg_L-W.
Interestingly my informants have noted that Nikki Sinclaire MEP – although an Independent MEP has been seen with her Team in Eastborne this evening and they are staying in a hotel locally.
Although Mike Nattrass MEP and Trevor Colman MEP are no longer members of The EFD they will be present for the EFD section of the conference tomorrow and will no doubt be assisting Nikki Sinclaire who after enquiries I have discovered has been invited to have a table at the conference as an Independent to promote her very successful Cross Party Petition – gather although Jon Gaunt will be speaking to the subject of Petitions he did not have sufficient promotional material or achievement so far especially as the Plastic EUrosceptics acting as Judas Goats have rather stolen his clothes setting up a competition Pledge however both have effectively failed as was shown in Drowning Street yesterday!
Whilst EUkip squabbles and tries to cut deals to stay out of Court where after the guilty verdict already obtained by Sinclaire against Nigel Farage, Godfrey Bloom and UKIP it is certain she will win her case should UKIP not provide adequate support and recompense for their behaviour and lies about her. . .
David Cameron faces more pressure for an “in-out” referendum on Europe as a 100,000-name petition is delivered.
A cross-party delegation of MPs and MEPs is due to hand in sacks full of signatures at 10 Downing Street.
The number demanding a referendum is enough to trigger a parliamentary debate on the issue – potentially highly awkward for the Prime Minister. Mr Cameron again insisted that there was “no case” for a national poll on EU membership.
“I want us to be influential in Europe about the things that matter to our national interest – promoting the single market, pushing forward for growth, making sure we get lower energy prices,” he told MPs.
“Those are things we will be fighting for but I don’t see the case for an in out referendum on Europe.
“We are in Europe, we have got to make it work for us.”
Under a new e-petition scheme set up by the Government, any suggestion that receives more than 100,000 signatures online is passed to parliament’s backbench business committee so a debate can be organised.
However, Commons leader Sir George Young has apparently assured the Europe campaigners that traditional pen-and-ink versions will be treated the same.
Independent MEP Nikki Sinclaire is due to be accompanied by Labour MPs Kelvin Hopkins, Austin Mitchell and Kate Hoey to hand in the petition.
“This is an encouraging development and raises the prospect of an early debate on our continued membership of the EU,” she said.
I Hear from Meeeeja contacts that Independent MEP Nikki Sinclaire was interviewed by The BBC earlier today and will be at Downing St. with a number of cross party MPs and MEPs supporting her & Farage on Question Time.!!
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I’ll post the details of the story later as I expect a call from a chum on one of the picture desks and also from within the BBC.
Check Back Later!
I see Nikki Sinclaire has just put this on her blog:
PRESS RELEASE Wednesday September 7, 2011 FIGHT FOR A REFERENDUM ON EUROPE GOES TO NUMBER10 AS 100,000 DEMAND A SAY The Prime Minister will come under mounting pressure to hold a referendum on Britain’s EU membership tomorrow (Thurs) when his own MPs march on Downing Street.
Tories will join a seven-strong delegation who will hand a 100,000-name petition demanding a straight “in or out” vote at the door of Number10.
David Cameron has ruled out an early vote on the issue, but the huge public demand for one will give fresh impetus to 80 Eurosceptic back-benchers who want action.
The mountain of signatures has been collected in a cross-party campaign led by West Midlands MEP Nikki Sinclaire.
It raises the prospect of a Commons debate on Britain’s relationship with Europe.
Mr Cameron has promised to give Parliamentary time to any issue which gets the support of at least 100,000 people on any e-petition set up on the official government website.
But Commons leader Sir George Young has written to Ms Sinclaire telling her that her traditional pen-and-ink petition will carry the same weight if it also has the support of an MP.
Her petition has so far been backed by dozens of MPs – many of them Conservative.
David Nuttall, Tory MP for Bury North, will raise the matter with Sir George at business questions tomorrow.
The campaign’s new head of steam comes as a new group of more than 80 Tory MPs
Plan to meet next week to press Mr Cameron into withdrawing Britain from the debris of the eurozone crisis.
Ms Sinclaire will be flanked by four MPs and two MEPs from all parties when she hands in the sacks full of signatures at 11.45am on Thursday, September 8, 2011.
They include: Kelvin Hopkins MP , Trevor Colman MEP , Austin Mitchell MP, Nigel Dodds MP , Mike Nattrass MEP and Kate Hoey MP
Nikki will say: “This is an encouraging development and raises the prospect of an early debate on our continued membership of the EU – Almost eight in ten people want a national debate on the pros and cons of EU membership”
“To insist that only an online petition will count would disenfranchise millions of people, particularly the poor and elderly, who do not have an email account or access to a computer.”
The breakthrough is bolstered by a YouGov poll which reveals a clear majority want ordinary people to have the final say on whether we pull out of Europe. It shows for the first time a majority of people would actually vote to leave the European Union in an referendum.
The poll results will make uncomfortable reading for Mr Cameron with mounting dissatisfaction over Europe on his own benches.
While he insists the names must be collected on individually entered electronic petitions, the Commons Leader’s office has indicated that a traditional pen-and-ink petition could be lodged with the backbench business committee if it has one or more MPs sponsoring it.
Ms Sinclaire added: “The huge response to our campaign, together with the findings of our poll, show that most people want their say.”
The poll shows overwhelming support for letting the public decide our future in the EU – and if they got their way they would vote to pull out.
Some 60 per cent of voters want a referendum on whether Britain should remain a member of the EU, according to the YouGov survey commissioned by Nikki’s campaign.
If there was a vote, a massive 52 per cent would vote to leave, with only 30 per cent preferring to stay in and 15 per cent undecided and 4 per cent not bothering to vote.
Nikki, an independent MEP, added: “Clearly the people of Britain want to decide who governs Britain. It must be alarming to the government that despite all their assurances on sovereignty and cast iron promises, more and more people have given up on this European project. This argument has gone on far too long, we must decide our course once and for all in a binding referendum”
MPs are already facing demands to debate bring back hanging after 100,000 backed the move in an e-petition.
But Nikki points out that Britain is powerless to restore the death penalty while still in the EU because it would breach the UK’s membership conditions by breaching the EU’s Fundemental Charter on human rights.
She believes we get the worst of both worlds while inside the EU but outside the eurozone.
“We have one foot in and one foot outside it,” she said. “This is detrimental to our interests and to those of the EU, both politically and economically. We need to take a decision as to where our future lies.
“Despite numerous promises, nobody under the age of 54 has ever had a say on Britain’s relationship with the EU. This issue needs to be resolved.”
EU membership costs Britain £48 million a day – or £4,912 per household over the last 11 years.
But we have signed away power to decide our own future, with 75 per cent of British regulation coming from EU law.
Nikki also pays tribute to the hundreds of people across the country who have helped collate the petition including one gentleman in Dorset who has collected 2,000 signatures. Nikki said “I’m overwhelmed by the level of support and the dedication of these people who truly are an inspiration.”
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Note to Editors.
The Campaign has collected in excess of 70,000 signatures on paper and in excess of 30,000 online atwww.haveyoursay.eu
The paper petition forms will be handed in at 10 Downing Street at 11.45pm on Thursday September 8, 2011.
According to the Office of National Statstics report in 2010 9.2 million people have never accessed the internet.
For further information please contact Josh O’Nyons or
Nikki Sinclaire MEP can be contacted at: 0794 146 1255
Supporting Mp’s and MEPs include
Kate Hoey MP Labour
Richard Shepherd MP Conservative
Austin Mithchell MP Labour
Christopher Chope MP Conservative Philip Davies MP Conservative Kelvin Hopkins MP Labour Rt. Hon. Nigel Dodds MP Dem’ Unionist Mike Nattrass MEP UKIP Rodger Godsiff MP Labour Phillip Hollobone MP Conservative Trevor Colman MEP UKIP Graham Stringer MP Labour and others
Congratulations UKIP – 4th. Out of 4 National Parties!
Astonishingly local issue Party also rans The Greens managed an MP by clever strategy!
The vile BNP has imploded and the various other also rans are regional only!
UKIP Leadership Make Much of being 4th. out of 4 on the National stakes!!
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we were astonished that UKIP Leadership claque made so much of this poll though to be fair they were 4th. out of 4 National parties with their percentage up having, it seems, picked up support from the collapse of their closest rivals The BNP from UKIP style dishonesty, bullying and internal wrangling.
By clever strategy The Greens managed to get their party into Westminster, only a dream for UKIP leader Farage who stands at every opportunity,
The great sadness for UKIP members after 18 years is to read the agenda for The Conference this week and note that UKIP are unable to field a single solitary individual in the party of stature, gravitas and competent. 18 years and so staggeringly little progress – just glance down the list of personalities speaking not a single solitary individual with a mainstream profile unless you hinge the whole conference on Jon Gaunt!
Look with care at the list and much become apparent – EUkip have spent so much time navel gazing they have failed totally to build either a structure or a presence, they have even had to fossick around EU cronies to find SOMEONE to speak albeit unknowns to the public and utterly irrelevant to British Patriots who frankly couldn’t give a damn how Latvia, Lithuania and Luxembourg wish to be ruled or the governance of Finland, France and Greece wish to be financed and controlled – No more our business than Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran or Libya!
Astonishingly at a time when 52% of the electorate would vote to leave The EU, on a far more significant poll funded by Independent MEP Nikki Sinclaire, and only 30% would vote to stay in and listen to the Finns, Czechs, French and other foreigners on how they are goverened!
With over 66% of Tory voters who would vote to Leave-The-EU
UKIP gets its best ever poll result comming 4th. out of 4 National Parties with 7%
Could it be that UKIP has become a part of the problem and has surrendered its CLAIMED ambition to be part of the solution when you consider:
Before we continue I would ask you to consider:
Is it reasonable to state that any Political Body or Corporation that is so bereft of ability to show its achievements and worth that it despatches its agents and spokesment under cowardly cover of anonymity or irrelevance to lie, distort dissemble, bully and abuse as their only defence has most clearly lost the plot.
That its agents are shown repeatedly not for their achievements which seem insignificant but for their criminality, arrogance, dishonesty and corruption might they be considered to have lost the moral right to lead.
May it be accepted that unable to show any competence, ability or achievement of note and value in their appointed task yet setting out for self enrichment they seek to defend themselves in Court with other people’s money they are clearly without ethic or morality.
That they seek in default of truth to lie and defame and then default upon their bills to seek to harm those weaker than themselves might they be considerred to have lost all right to respect or support from informed and ethical individuals.
If you can say no to any of these questions then may I suggest EUkip is the party for you!
(09/07/11) –
Labour Keeps Advantage Over Tories and Liberal Democrats in Britain
The approval rating for David Cameron remains stable, while both Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband lose points.
The Labour Party is holding on to the top spot in Britain’s political landscape, a new Angus Reid Public Opinion poll has found.
The online survey of a representative sample of 2,005 British adults also shows a drop in the approval rating for both Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband.
Voting Intention
Across Britain, 39 per cent of decided voters and leaners (-2 since July) say they would support the Labour candidate in their constituency in the next General Election.
The Conservative Party is second with 33 per cent (-1), followed by their coalition partners—the Liberal Democrats—with 11 per cent (+1).
The United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP) is next with seven per cent, followed by the Scottish National Party (SNP) with five per cent, the Green Party with two per cent, and the British National Party (BNP) also with two per cent.
Labour is still clearly ahead of its rivals in the North (47%), holds a ten-point lead over the Conservatives in London (44% to 34%) and a four-point edge in Midlands and Wales (41% to 37%). The Tories are still first in the South of England (40% to 34%). In Scotland, the SNP now holds the support of practically half of decided voters (49%).
Approval
There has been no change in the performance rating for Prime Minister David Cameron since March, with two-in-five respondents (41%) saying they approve of the way he is handling his duties, and half of Britons (51%) saying they disapprove.
While one third of respondents (32%) approve of Ed Miliband’s performance as Leader of the Opposition, only one-in-four (26%) feel the same way about the way Nick Clegg is doing his job as Deputy Prime Minister.
Methodology: From September 1 to September 2, 2011, Angus Reid Public Opinion conducted an online survey among 2,005 randomly selected British adults who are Springboard UK panelists. The margin of error—which measures sampling variability—is +/- 2.2%. The results have been statistically weighted according to the most current education, age, gender and region data to ensure samples representative of the entire adult population of Great Britain. Discrepancies in or between totals are due to rounding.
Independent Nikki SINCLAIRE MEP Steals A March on The Judas Goats & The Plastic EUrosceptics of EUkip & The Tory Party!!
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this discussion from one of the many Forums where I post material opposed to membership of The EU may interest you:
I agree.
However, even if people haven’t got computers we can’t hold progress up.
Computers are part of our lives and they won’t go away.
We must adapt to modern society or we will be left behind.
All kids at school are computer literate, with the rest of the population following fast.
Over 50s are one of the fastest groups that are jumping on the computer bandwagon.
We must embrace things like ePetition/ modern technology.
Hi,
woopy – subsequent to my last posting I have been sent a copy of a letter I have been awaiting for some days – AGAIN we have The Independent MEP Nikki Sinclaire to thank for this:
This means that her petition of over 100,000 signatures as announced and surprisingly widely published, in view of the fact her schedule was committed to announcement from Smith Square slap bang the day after the civil unrest when all the looters in suits were mumbling and squeeeeeling at the thought of competition from the proles.
This letter solves all problems as it can thus be an ‘e’petition on the .gov site AND a paper addition.
With Parliament resitting watch out for the presentation of the petition shortly and on a totally cross party basis.
I believe we all owe Nikki Sinclaire for her efforts – have you signed her petition? It can be signed on line OR on paper as the letter above shows – in fact her office is transposing all ePetition data onto paper and I gather an outside agency is erradicating duplicates and collating the data under strict data protection terms.
This letter now to hand I hear that Thursday will be likely to be the next ratchet turn 😉
Obviously the YouGov Poll was hugely significant and now the aim is to go on to yet more signatures to ensure no one tries to duck out on the Government benches when a Referendum becomes inevitable now, especially as well over 70% of Tory voters want a referendum on In/Out with regard to the EU, and embarrassingly the Judas Goats approved by the Tories as Plastic EUrosceptics with their other ‘PLEDGE’ Polls have rather lost control with, I gather, less than 50,000 signatures and I am given to understand some 30,000 of those are merely recycled and laundered Democracy Movement signatures though this is I concede hear say from the previous referendum that was given them!
Interestingly I gather on various technicalities The Express signatures are invalid as the poll was not carried out properly, or so I hear. However I doubt Mr. Despond will be giving praise to Nikki as we all know she is not a pornographers lap dog and seeks only relevant and serious publicity – hence her achievements.
She can in all fairness now say she has actually achieved, laterly with Mike Nattrass & Trevor Colman once they left Farage’s control and thus The EFD, they have achieved more in real terms than UKIP has done in all its 18 years of self enrichment and posturing for its leadership!
At least every single signature on Sinclaire’s Petition is genuine and her ad vans etc. have paid off – even if she is hoping for donations to help her fund them!!!
See her site CLICK HERE and sign up to the future 😉
Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W)
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