#0063* – Ukippers Must Learn How To Count Vegetables Into A Bag
– Hat Tip to The Tap Blog
Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!
The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership,
their anti UKIP claque in POWER & the NEC
is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!
Ukippers Must Learn How To Count Vegetables Into A Bag
– Hat Tip to The Tap Blog!
Which came up on Google at: http://riddickro.wordpress.com/2010/08/07/4626/
Ukippers Must Learn How To Count Vegetables Into A Bag
People who voted UKIP in the General Election voted with their hearts. It felt good to be saying ‘No more Europe’ and to be cheering along to Nigel Farage’s excellent speeches. But look at the effects.
The Conservatives were moving, glacially but nonetheless moving, in a eurosceptic direction. Now they are locked in a coalition, which negates all the progress made, and has pushed euroscepticism off the government’s agenda. Just a few thousand of the million or so UKIP votes could have prevented the coalition, and the loss of the gains so painfully made inside the Conservative Party over the last ten years.
Things are not stopping there. The two europhile parties, Labour and Libdem, before the coalition formed, were divided. It made it possible to look forward to a Conservative majority with only 40% of the vote. The coalition is having the effect now of crashing support for the Lib Dems, mostly pushing it back to Labour, making the europhiles into a single strong force under the Labour flag.
A great opportunity has been lost to keep the europhiles separated.
The only way that a eurosceptic government will finally arrive at Westminster, will be through a Conservative majority. If the Conservative leadership is compromised by cryptic support for the EU, then only will a revolt from the Conservative backbenches bring in a leadership that fights for British independence. There is no other electoral possibility.
But EUkippers don’t see it.
In 2005, Blair might have been deprived of a majority if eurosceptics had all voted Conservative. Many are non-voters. A coalition between Liberal and Labour would have resulted, and the Conservative Party would have been driven onto an even more strongly eurosceptic stance by the weight of eurosceptic numbers inside the tent.
In 2010 the damage of eurosceptics not voting Conservative has been even greater, with the coalition suppressing euroscepticism, and Labour resurgent by gathering opposition to the coalition.
The point is that there is only one Party that will get Britain out of the EU. It’s not Labour. It’s not Lib Dem. It’s not UKIP. Who’s left? Eurosceptics should rally and vote Conservative, and battle for control of the party.
The EU is winning the game this week with its obtaining of police powers, and the arrest of the five English boys and their transfer to Greek jails though they did nothing at all. Make no mistake. Control of the Conservative Party is the only battlefield that counts if we want to fight these pernicious developments.
The EU knows that, and their supporters. How come Nigel Farage gets so much airtime compared to Conservative eurosceptics? UKIP is a carefully calibrated game to divide British eurosceptics, and people are falling for it by the million.
UKIPpers buy into the emotion. Going UKIP feels good. Yet these people are just like me, from another age where a spade was a spade, a lb was a lb, a yard was a yard. One thing, however, which should please us all, has not changed, and that is the only thing that counts. We still have a First Past The Post electoral system. Why can’t the traditionalists, who cheer Farage, as I also do in my heart, understand the political system that they have inherited from history?
If we were counting carrots into a bag, I’m sure everyone would get it.
Maybe that’s it. Eurosceptics need to envision MPs as vegetables going into a bag. If there’s more blue cabbages than red cabbages, and the blue cabbages have been selected well, the battle of the bag is won. There’s no point in growing lost of purple cabbages, none of which will ever get into the bag. What UKIPpers and other eurosceptics must see is that there is only one bag. If they don’t vote Conservative, they are not even going to be in it. Somehow rationality must override emotion, if eurosceptics want to win. Ukippers have got to wise up.
See yesterday’s council election result from Rotherham –
Sitwell ward, Rotherham
Con – 45% (-13)
Lab – 32% (+12)
Lib Dem – 4% (-18)
Ind – 9%(+9)
UKIP – 9% (+9)
Con hold
Once a very safe Conservative seat, now with LIb Dems obliterated, Labour are back in contention. UKIP’s 9% is enough to mean that labour might stand a chance of winning. Any damage done by UKIP standing in General Elections in the past will be as nothing to what could happen next. Labour could win the next GE, if this pattern replicates. (I assume the Independent took previous Lib Dem votes. If so, more could have gone to Labour, making this a marginal ).
As for David Cameron, there is also still the chance, however remote, that he is playing a double game – cooperating with the EU for now, but ready to make moves when the time is right. That is not something to discount to zero, even now. But if, as time goes by, he shows himself to be a traitor, the only battle that matters is still for the Conservative Party, and getting blue cabbages into the bag.
http://the-tap.blogspot.com/2010/08/eukip-needs-to-remodel-its-strategy.html
Much of what this blogger states here makes a great deal of sense however it makes a couple of fundamental errors in my opinion.
You may well remember that at the previous General Election – in the early hours of the morning Richard North and I in a desperate attempt to keep some vestige of pressure on The Tories to TRY to keep them currying the favour of EUroSceptics and EUroRealists we hatched the plot to state that UKIP had cost The Tories 27 seats.
I remember well discussing this with Nigel Farage as the dawn broke!
The problem was UKIP had had a shattering wipeout when it had promised its members miracles.
The story stood and Richard went on to produce a pamphlet to that effect for The Bruges Group.
We see the same phenomenon here, though to get into the act and have ANY credibility, it caused Farage to put the titular leader of the party the bufoon Lord Pearson upto the ruse of betraying his own PPCs and electorate – not with a view to winning or losing seats because by the time the betrayal went into motion, all but a blind man could see that UKIP were not going to come within a country mile of winning a single seat and in fact they would be lucky to break 3% of the vote.
UKIP’s leadership are proven to be perfectly capable and willing to rig internal votes but once outside their party they are hostages to fortune – as shown at the last EU elections where one of the most corrupt political parties became the dustbin for the Westminster allowances abuses protest – based on the fact that UKIP was irrelevant and it was EUrope anyway!!
UKIP rose from reasonable expectation of 3 or maybe 4 MEPs earned to managing, inspite of themselves, to get a protest lobby underway and garnered 13 based on the dustbin principle.
So Farage’s plan at the General Election was then, to maintain some pretence of relevance to claim responsibility for what many political commentators were saying – including Richard and I – there would be a NOM hung parliament where because the Labour party would have lost such a huge number of votes would make a Labour coalition impossible.
So how was UKIP to retain some relevance – well simple, get some publicity by betraying their own people and doing a knife job on a few irrelevant nebishes, who UKIP could afford to upset support the Tory in those seats (it wouldn’t make a blind bit of difference) Thus it could, falsely of course, be claimed UKIP had brought about a coalition.
The great problem of UKIP is that it is without ANY moral compass, ethics, principles, probity, gravitas or vision.
That is clearly the problem but the result is more serious in that just as UKIP is a fraud and has no earthly chance of achieving anything worthwhile – particularly on a domestic front where out of about 19,000 electable offices it holds under 20!
The huge damage is simple to see in that UKIP has established a brand with a valuation of around £15 . 20 Millions, but when you open the box you find it is a can of worms and minded of the first law of politics which is if you intend to open a can of worms be sure to have a larger can to hand!
UKIP stradles the main line of the EUsceptic express train – not as a Colossus but like a stumble bum on his way between shots of meths. to sustain him on route to the flop house.
UKIP, which is clearly going nowhere having been nowhere much is blocking the emergence not of a EUroSceptic Conservative Party as they have no spine left and it will be remembered that when it came to the crunch every single Tory that could be mustered, save Rupert Alison, voted YES in the final Maastricht vote. Bill Cash, Roger Knapman, Christopher Gill, Roger Evans et al VOTED YES – because turkeys don’t vote for Christmas!
The Tories are NOT our solution they are a huge and overwhelming part of the problem.
The solution is we MUST break away from the same old, same old mistake.
As Einstein is reputed to have said ‘To endlessly repeat the same experiment and expect a different result is the first sign of madness’. He was right.
But there is a solution:
to
Reclaim YOUR Future
&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK
Write Upon Your Ballot Paper at EVERY election:
(IF You Have No INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance Candidate)
LEAVE-THE-EU
to Reclaim YOUR Future
&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK
Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W)
Ukip-vs-EUkip 
