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#915* – EUkip SEEMS DETERMINED TO SELF DESTRUCT – IS THERE NOW HOPE FOR UKIP?

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 20/03/2010

#915* – EUkip SEEMS DETERMINED TO SELF DESTRUCT – IS THERE NOW HOPE FOR UKIP?

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership, their anti UKIP claque & the NEC is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!

EUkip SEEMS DETERMINED TO SELF DESTRUCT, WITH MORE IDIOTIC LEGAL ADVICE FROM MA ZUCKERMAN – IS THERE NOW HOPE FOR UKIP WHEN EUkip COLLAPSES?

Ukip to fight court threat by expelled MEP

The UK Independence Party has vowed to fight 
“baseless” legal action being threatened by an MEP
who claims it acted unlawfully by expelling her from the party.
 Published on Sat Mar 20 12:44:46 GMT 2010
Nikki Sinclaire, who represents the West Midlands, was thrown out this month after refusing to be part of the multinational political group Ukip has joined in the European Parliament.
Her solicitors said she would take the case to the High Court, claiming the party was in breach of contract by not following its own constitution or its disciplinary rules and procedures. **01
She will also seek a ruling that its membership of the Europe of Freedom and Democracy group (EFD) is a breach of its own constitution as the group backs the EU institutions **02, they said. And she will argue that the “racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic (including Holocaust denial) views” of some parties in the group breach Ukip’s non-discrimination rules **03.
But Ukip party secretary Michael Zuckerman **04 said: “We believe that her claims are baseless and we will challenge every point robustly.”
The court challenge was announced as Ukip leader Lord Pearson of Rannoch unveiled its election manifesto at a party conference in Milton Keynes. He claimed that only complete withdrawal from the EU could deal with the two main “problems” voters were concerned about: the economy and immigration **05.
And he risked fury among some activists by calling for Ukip candidates with no hope of winning their seat to step aside if that would help a committed Tory eurosceptic to win the seat **06. He said there were only a “few” such cases but said opposing those candidates would “defeat our own greater purpose” and put party enthusiasms before the national interest.
Lord Pearson told the conference David Cameron’s refusal to offer a referendum on Europe means a Tory election victory would spell “absolutely certain disaster” for Britain **07. Ukip needed to put in a strong enough performance in the election that, if it led to a hung parliament and another election, it would be “clear and unavoidable” to all parties that they would have to promise an EU referendum to stand a chance of getting a clear majority.
Lord Pearson also called for the introduction of Swiss-style binding referendums **08 and a Royal Commission to decide whether global warming was a reality as part of the wide-ranging manifesto **09.
Ms Sinclaire had refused to sit with her own party members in European Parliament meetings since mid-January **10, citing the breakdown of her relationship with the party’s leader in Europe Nigel Farage and the “extreme views” of some partner parties **11. She insisted she was not quitting the party – but Ukip’s National Executive Committee removed the whip, also ending her position as its candidate for the Meriden seat in the general election **12.

To view the original article: CLICK HERE

**01Which it clearly is – Farage’s behaviour has been shameful and has beyond any shadow of doubt brought the party into disrepute. No disciplinary hearing was EVER announced or held.

**02EUkip’s membership of Farage’s sordid EFD is indubitably ultra vires to the EUkip Constitution and no amount of wriggling on the part of the leadership can show other than it is ultra vires to both the letter and the spirit of the Constitution of the Party – That only ONE MEP had the integrity to stand by the Constitution speaks volumes of the morality and ethics of the rest of the leadership hirelings.

EUkip’s position is clearly morally and ethically untennable – yet they lack the common decency EVER to say sorry when they get it totally wrong, time and time again!

**03
As they indeed do!

Details of the vile views and behaviour of Farage’s new Pan EU Political Party EFD grouping, with specific members detailed as with Racism, Xenophobia, anti Judaism (including holocaust denial) , sexual intolerance, criminal convictions, advocacy & use of violence, active support of The Lisbon Treaty, pro EU membership and more can all be found at CLICK HERE

**04Is it wise to take advice of any description or opinion even from this man though he may be The Partner in his legal firm best known as Bent And Manure but I gather listed, in an act of obvious deceit, as Benson Ma Zure (I guess because he rents a room in Benson St. & his name is MA ZUckerman, perhaps the waste bin’s name is RE!)

This is the clown who quoted EUkip £10,000 to form a Limited Company, which can be done on line in 10 minutes for under £200! The idiot who advocated the debacle that has EUkip facing the probability of bankruptcy over about £1.2 millions, the fool who told the muppets Arnott & Reeve that they could not have legal representation in a small claim Court, the buffoon who has been the cats paw for so much of EUkip’s leadership’s dishonesty and corruption – yet he still presumes to opine!

Perhaps since he set up Friends of Israel on the back of EUkip and Pearson is a leading Zionist not to mention Sonia Zuckerman who sees herself as quite the lady in Jewish circles – would it be immoderate of me to ask where and when did he publish his achievements as EUkip Friends of Israel and how he justifies his Party association with the Racist anti Judaism of The EFD grouping.

**05

Would it be unreasonable then to ask how, towards the stated aim, membership of the pro EU Racist advocares of The New Constitution in the form of The Lisbon Treaty, which EUkip made no meaningful effort to oppose, lie how can EFD membership be of ANY gain to EUkip or is it merely an act of prostitution that EUkip has sold out its principles for money for Farage?

**06
We said on this blog that it would not be an announcement of EUkip PPCs and where they were standing that would be of any interest at this Tory Lite charade but where the Tories through their agents Pearson, Wheeler, Gill, Bannerman, Knapman, Pryor and others ensured EUkip did not put their marginal seats at jeopardy. Proven right yet again!

**07

Yet minutes earlier Lord Bumble was bumbling on about standing down against Tory self proclaimed so called EUroSceptics as yet both unidentified and unidentifiable!
Interestingly this is an EXACT fulfillment of the predictions made on this blog and also at Junius, when there was much rage and name calling by EUkip’s army of cowards and sock puppets too cowardly to put their name to their attacks (as ever) as is seemingly always the case WE were right and EUkip’s cowardly and dishonourable keyboard warriors were wrong – we never receive apologies for these shameful people!

**08

I have never seen any clear indication that EUkip has the vaguest idea of how Switzerland carries out such referenda, when, how or to what end – Such a silly pronouncement without CLEAR and rigorous clarification is nothing more nor less than irresponsible.

**09

Failing completely to point out that such a commission would be appointed by the self same corrupt politicians who are currently engorging themselves at the troughs of the IPCC – how very naive.

**10
This is factually wrong – she has refused to sit with The EFD an unpleasant group of extremists Farage leads in the EU Assembly for his own gain. Details of the EFD can be found if you CLICK HERE 

**11   
Details of the vile views and behaviour of Farage’s new Pan EU Political Party EFD grouping, with specific members detailed as with Racism, Xenophobia, anti Judaism (including holocaust denial) , sexual intolerance, criminal convictions, advocacy & use of violence, active support of The Lisbon Treaty, pro EU membership and more can all be found at CLICK HERE

**12
The Leadership has acted in complete and flagrant disregard for the members and electorate and in a manner damaging to the party.

TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the exit and survival plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits of leaving The EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples – they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our border.

NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.


Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the MSM and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING.
Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we thus leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62

PLEASE POST THIS TAG AS FOLLOWS:ON YOUR eMAILS & BLOGS, FORUM POSTINGS & MAILINGS – GET THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE IT IS OUR BEST HOPE AS WHOEVER IS APPOINTED WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS PROVED!

I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country.

Deny the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour. Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples.

Leave-the-EU

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GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK

Write Upon Your Ballot Paper at EVERY election:

IF You Have No INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance Candidate

LEAVE THE EU
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#914* – OF DAMP RAGS & USED CAR SALES SPIVS.

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 20/03/2010

#914* – OF DAMP RAGS & USED CAR SALES SPIVS.

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership, their anti UKIP claque & the NEC is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!

OF DAMP RAGS for SPEAKERS & USED CAR SALES SPIVS
PROMOTED AS CREDIBLE!
SO WHERE IS THE SUBSTANCE, THE VISION, THE AIM, The TRAINING & THE INCLUSIVITY TO OVERCOME THE VICIOUS IN FIGHTING AS THE MONKEY INEXORABLY CLIMBS THE TREE!

Hi,

it was strange to read of EUkip’s ostensible leader the dishonourable and dishonest:

Lord Pearson explained clearly how voters are running out of time to save the country from disaster.

“After five more years it may be very difficult to escape,” he said. “We will no longer be enmeshed on every side in the tentacles of the corrupt octopus, as we are today; we will be in its belly.

“So whatever the doubts about a hung Parliament, a Conservative victory would be an absolutely certain disaster, just as bad as Labour. It would be the final extinction of what millions of our forebears have died for over hundreds of years.

“We must not let it happen.”

When he had just most clearly stated that he would be asking a number of EUkip PPCs to stand down as candidates to make way for chsen Tory candidates or even possibly Labour candidates who CLAIM to be opposed to membership of The EUropean Union!

Then to hear that the dull and dithersome David Bannerman had so roused the members by presenting new policies was yet more astonishing! Surely there can not possibly exist a citizen of these United Kingdoms who believes that EUkip might form a Government so what EXACTLY is the relevance of their policies and surely this party of all must surely have realised that with The Lisbon Treaty in place as a new constitution and around 80% of all new law in Britain being no more than the rubber stamping of EU diktat where the balance 20% must be compliant with the EU – Just what exactly is the value or point in diluting time or effort to produce and vend such foolish ideas!

Then we hear the utterly implausible claim:

Nigel Farage and Lord Pearson deliver rousing speeches as the Party launched its election campaign.

That Nigel Farage gave a rousing speech might just be possible if there were new comers to the party who had not heard his speeches before and to be fair there is no doubt on his day he is an excellent performer and it has been clear recently he can attract publicity whether being childishy rude to EU officials or slagging off EUkip MEPs on TV – if of course bad publicity and abuse of ones own elected representatives can be seen as anything other than unpleasant, distasteful and damagingly divisive.

Perhaps UKIP would be better served by a low grade bank clerk at least one could trust them rather than a used car sales spiv as an epithette.

Similarly that the damp rag performance of Pearson’s speech delivery might prove rousing, save in an old peoples’ care home, is risible – I have watched and listened to dozens of his speeches and almost without exception they have been flat, stammering and singularly UNrousing.

Then I gather fresh from failures with John Major and steering Inkatha to sequentially worse results in each of the 3 elections in which he steered their campaign larghely onto Shaka’s Rock or confrontation at Constitution Tree on the banks of The Tugela! I wonder what Sally made of him at Matuba Mills and had he the opportunity of survival at Gingindilovu and with some 11 million Zulu Goodwill Zweletheni can not have been any to impressed with this Tory hack and I’m sure Gatcha Buthelezi was glad to see the back of him! How he steered the Zulu Inkatha to such a small percentage I find astonishing.

It is astonishing the accuracy with which this blog predicted exactly what is happening now and only a few days after the original announcement that James Pryor had been brought in by the new Tory leadership.

Now let us see if I am right about the £1.2M or so debt subsequent to the so called appeal to the risibly named Supreme Court – I wonder will Stuart Wheeler be around then having, with Pearson achieved the best interests of the Tories by using EUkip as a Tory pressure group. The offer to pay may well be 100% genuine for the present sum UPTO the election what of afterwards? Will Brian Seymour be pleased to see his home under the happer to pay EUkip’s debts – as clearly the party is not indemnified by its present Limited status as the debt was incurred previous to incorporation.

I gather Farage is expecting some further MEPs to jump ship from his racist group and to keep up numbers is seeking to woo the Ditch Extremist Freedom Party and thus I expect Vlaams Block!

The back biting and personal squabbling within EUkip and their bullying and vile determination to smear and defame people says all one would wish to know about them surely.

There are clearly many who have been pushed into the arms of the damp rage and low grade bank clark even of Belgium but equally certainly few at the end of the day give true praise to a deputy who doesn’t know who he is so he lies a leader who has the presentation skills of just such a damp rag and surely a trustworthy bank clark is better than an insecure womanising, drunken, racist barrow boy with all the skills of a spiv and the gravitas of a gin trap!

I doubt many can have been impressed by the vile attack on Sinclaire founded on Pearson’s proven pack of lies and some of the personalised and cowardly attacks by Farage and some of his sychophants on Butcher’s unpleasant back biting forum have been a spectacle in how to allienate the voter – as with Denny, Sketyk, BvL, Independent UKIP and their sordid ilk. Astonishing howmany cowardly and unpleasant supporters EUkip has too ashamed to put their identity to their wheedling distortions and outright lies!

TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the exit and survival plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits of leaving The EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples – they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our border.

NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.


Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the MSM and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING.
Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we thus leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62

PLEASE POST THIS TAG AS FOLLOWS:ON YOUR eMAILS & BLOGS, FORUM POSTINGS & MAILINGS – GET THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE IT IS OUR BEST HOPE AS WHOEVER IS APPOINTED WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS PROVED!

I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country.

Deny the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour. Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples.

Leave-the-EU

to

Reclaim YOUR Future
&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK

Write Upon Your Ballot Paper at EVERY election:

IF You Have No INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance Candidate

LEAVE THE EU
to Reclaim YOUR Future
&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK

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#913* – re Mark CROUCHER, UKIP, Cardiff County Court Verdict – My thanks.

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 20/03/2010

#913* – re Mark CROUCHER, UKIP, Cardiff County Court Verdict – My thanks.

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership, their anti UKIP claque & the NEC is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!

re: Mark CROUCHER, UKIP, Cardiff County Court Verdict, 18-Mar-2010 – My thanks!

Hi,

I have been amazed at howmany people have clearly been following this case for a long time and have realised its huge significance to Lee and I and also to Bloggers and the internet in general.

When one realises, as many who have contacted me seem to have done, the incredible significance that in a Court of Law under a law of 1988 which has had very little realistic amendment except by the seat of the pants in various relatively minor cases and Courts by usage.

In 1988 there were in real terms no common usage of electronic transfer of photographic images.

It was not until December 1997 almost 10 years after the act that the first realistic blog was written and transmitted for ‘common’ consumption on the internet though there had been some experimentation within web sites and on Intra Nets starting in late 1994.

The first meaningful usage of a blog was December 1997 however I have been unable to ascertain when the first pictures were posted on a blog.

The most up to date figure I could find for the number of blogs world wide was somewhere over 200,000,000!

Astonishingly the law in use was designed for paper printed copy now with a quite reasonable guestimate running to Billions of pictures on the internet amongst the blogs etc. (I have just noted ONE individual with 15,400+ photos).

We are now talking of many millions of bloggers each day posting blogs with pictures in the virtual reality format in a transient nature where I have failed to identify a single solitary not for profit private blog who pays for readily available pictures.

Further I was unable this afternoon after the case had ended to locate any way in which copyright can be established of the many versions of the pictures for which I was taken to Court being sourced to UKIP or even to Mark Croucher.

I am not attempting to deny UKIP holds the copyright and was unable to afford to front the battle over the claim that Croucher owned the copyright though I am relieved to note his Hon. W. Gaskell specifically stated that Croucher had failed to establish his right of copyright to the Court’s satisfaction despite UKIP having made themselves party to the Court Case by encouraging Croucher with documents put before the Court.

It is an incredibly messy business as it seems copyright is something of a movable feast and not just many facetted but many layered which is why we opted to obtain the best advice I could not afford!

There are after all only 4 Chambers in Britain which specialise in IP, clearly Intellectual Property is a complex and very specific area of law – that my Barrister’s first qualification was Phys.Phil. at St. Hildas and a couple of years measuring the distance between binnary stars before moving on to further qualifications and Law is a measure of her chambers which I understand demands a top level scientific qualification before considering a new associate! The rigor of the discipline denoting the complexity of future cases.

The entire area of law is fascinating but the staggering ramifications of this case were clearly not lost on the legal team as had the quantum endorsed by UKIP and claimed by their agent Croucher been endorsed then it could have led to £1,000s of millions of claims and the shut down of the internet as we know it – thus clearly the case was unlikely to succeed IN MY OPINION – that is not to say that Croucher acting as UKIP’s agent was not in a position to act in a reasonable manner and request removal of the pictures having shown reasonable provenance of copyright beyond reasonable usage and that he had made electronic efforts to show copyright to be retained.

The internet functions on the basis of reasonable trust whereby we the bloggers use pictures on the understanding that we show copyright where displayed, provide credit where it is attributable and use pictures to a greater or lesser extent in the clear understanding that IF a picture’s author having shown right of copyright request the specific removal then of course we (by and large) honour the request whether for credit of for removal.

That UKIP’s agent as their EFD group Media Manager has acted in the manner in which they have does little for the credibility of UKIP and would seem to be something of a monumental own goal for the Party, for it was THEIR staff member with THEIR Chairman’s encouragement that has led to this unhappy affair when a phone call and some polite banter would have solved the entire matter at no cost to UKIP or their agent some 15 months ago.

I am happy to unreservedly apologise to UKIP for using a picture it would seem the Court has deemed to be their copyright, all be it shakily, and will be only too happy to acceded to any reasonable request of removal in the future should I accidentally infringe their copyright over pictures, other than of course pictures which are deemed to be common usage publicity photographs which are by deffinition for publicity, as I would of course for any other individual or organisation whose pictures I have used.

I trust now that UKIP will act expeditiously to ensure the payment ordered by the Court is made rather than further damage their reputation as it would seem in this instance.

There is I understand a photograph of Roger Knapman used somewhere on one of my 40 or so blogs and if UKIP would be so good as to identify the specific picture and show it is not merely a common usage picture for publicity and that they are deemed to hold the copyright I will be only too happy to oblige by removing same, in a spirit of co-operation and conciliation.

May I again thank the humbling number of people who have written articles on the internet or infringed copyright by reproducing articles on the matter!!!!! all over the internet I am truly humbled by the sense of fair play that has been shown by so many thoroughly decent people. Sadly we note the unpleasant remarks or obvious silence from some of the EUkip supporters who are even yet determined to bring EUkip into further disrepute.

TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the exit and survival plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits of leaving The EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples – they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our border.

NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.


Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the MSM and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING.
Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we thus leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62

PLEASE POST THIS TAG AS FOLLOWS:ON YOUR eMAILS & BLOGS, FORUM POSTINGS & MAILINGS – GET THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE IT IS OUR BEST HOPE AS WHOEVER IS APPOINTED WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS PROVED!

I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country.

Deny the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour. Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples.

Leave-the-EU

to

Reclaim YOUR Future
&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK

Write Upon Your Ballot Paper at EVERY election:

IF You Have No INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance Candidate

LEAVE THE EU
to Reclaim YOUR Future
&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK

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