Ukip-vs-EUkip

Friday, 5 February 2010 Stuart Parr said:

UKIP has been given permission to take its appeal against the sock puppet Electoral Commission’s vendetta against the party to the Supreme Court.

Greg L-W.: Firstly influence and the fact that Farage is no longer leader is thought to be the reason why the right to appeal has been granted as there would seem to be absolutely no legal grounds for an appeal in that there was no misdirection, new evidence or legitimate grounds but it was clear it was in EUkip’s interest to have the matter set aside until after the General Election when it would seem EUkip will probably be allowed to go bankrupt as no one but a fool would wish to incur further costs likely to take the debt well over £1Million, and when EUkip will no longer be of any use to its Tory leadership and backers.

To call the Electoral Committee ‘sock puppets’ is just the sort of crass and childish remark that landed EUkip in this mess in the first place – there is little point seeking elected status but insulting the legal bodies you aspire to govern! Nor in childish name calling of civil servants carrying out their duty.

To claim a ‘vendetta’ against the party by a public body is a libel as you have not one cogent shred of evidence to substantiate your dishonesty.

The Supreme Court is a device created recently to fit in with the EU structure – when EUkip loose the case in the Supreme Court will they then hope for the corrupt justiciary of The EU and their legal system to rescue them?

Alan Bown suspiciously disappeared off the electoral register after he switched allegiances from the Conservatives to UKIP.

Greg L-W.: There was absolutely nothing remotely suspicious about Alan Bown being removed from the electoral role as I understand he was in the process of a relatively acrimonious divorce and his registration was at the family home and struck off since he was living with one of his betting shop manageresses and did not re-register. It was not in any way mysterious, silly, misguided – many epithets may be used but seeking to conceal ones whereabouts in a divorce when in an adulterous union is not, I understand, unusual.

Alan Bown had NEVER been a notable donor to the Tories as far as I can see from Electoral Commission records. Further he had joined EUkip some time earlier. 

 The Electoral Commission ordered the forfeiture of £363k in donations that Alan Bown made during the time he was taken off the electoral register.  

Greg L-W.: NO a pure fabrication – The Electoral Commission contacted EUkip long after Andrew Smith had taken over from John de Roeke and advised that Alan Bown was not on the electoral role and was thus an impermissable donor nor was the company through which some payments were made a legally trading company as I recall.

This was no problem as EUkip had been made aware of the facts via David Lott the chairman at the time and Nigel Farage the defacto leader at all times! Also at the same time that I gave them the information I supplied John de Roeke with the information unaware that having been assaulted by Nigel Farage he had just quit EUkip..

Re-structuring the donation was absolutely no problem as EUkip knew because they had done it before when it was shown that a co signator of the bank account from which a substantial donation had been made was a foreign resident and so the donor was refunded his money and redonated with a cheque from his wife – That easy.

This time however EUkip leadership were too stupid to carry out their duty of care for the party and after, as I recall, some 67 communications from the Electoral Commission and face to face meetings, telephone conversations etc. etc. in pure unprofessional obduracy EUkip not only failed to comply but refused to reply. Many will have read Andrew Smith’s internal letter advocating future intent to mislead the Electoral Commission!

Andrew Smith’s unprofessional and irresponsible ‘e’Mail:

 From: “Smith Epping” To: “Geoffrey Kingscott” Cc: “Nigel Farage (UKIP)” ; “Douglas Denny”

Subject: Treasurers meeting

Thank you Geoffrey for organising the meeting. We need to give the Electoral Commission every reason to believe we are serious about compliance, in order to provide the next Party Treasurer with a good story to tell when we next fail to meet the statutory requirements.

They should be invited to any big regional meeting and to Party Conference to speak at least to a break-out meeting to Treasurers.

It would have been a suitable event for prospective Party Treasurers to learn a lot about what the job entailed. Were any of them there?

I thought the practical points which emerged, in the absence of the Electoral Commission, were a lesson for the NEC on what their priorities should be. The branches are crying out for better admin and they are full of good ideas.

I hope the NEC takes good notice of your report of the meeting.

AS
End of email

End of G.L-W. clarification of this point!

UKIP went to court over the decision and the judge ruled that it was an honest mistake and reduced the forfeiture to £18k.

Greg L-W.: Indeed a decision with which the Electoral Commission was willing to go along, even though it was a very loose interpretation of the law and clearly generous to EUkip as there is no provision in the law for part forfeiture. 

The Electoral Commission, official defenders of the status quo, didn’t like losing

Greg L-W.: They DID NOT LOOSE they had made their point, EUkip through crass stupidity and irresponsibility not to mention lies had got away lightly but The Electoral Commission had been proved 100% right and EUkip had been found GUILTY.
Your comment is foolish and ill informed. 

and appealed the decision in the High Court who ruled in their favour and reinstated the full forfeiture of £363k.  

Greg L-W.: Had Farage acted in a responsible grown up manner instead of making a complete fool of himself telling outright lies and strutting around pretending there was something clever about a GUILTY verdict EUkip could have quietly settled their debt to the Crown  and paid their lawyers and based upon the advice they received which was amateur in the extreme that could have been hugely reduced by negotiation.

Around the same time, the Electoral Commission announced that it wouldn’t be ordering the Lib Dims to repay £2.4m in illegal donations made using the proceeds of crime from a convicted criminal living abroad!

Greg L-W.: There was absolutely no similarity between the two cases. You can locate an interview I carried out of the Liberal Democrat Treasurer in which I showed the huge differences in the two situations. The full details are published on this blog. Not just the differences of the donor’s situations but also the facts, showing EUkip has totally misrepresented the facts as did Christopher Booker when he copied his article from the BBC journalist.
The facts make an interesting read if you are interested in the truth! 

In other words this is yet another UK/EU stitch-up

Greg L-W.: A completely dishonest statement based on a total lack of command of the facts and a lack of understanding of the law. IF nothing else read the law on the matter and then tell us all how the dishonest EUkip fantasy could be either justified or fit the facts known!! 

aimed at trying to bring down the only party challenging the cosy EU love-in of the LibLabCon.

Greg L-W.: This is just childish propaganda put out to cover for utter incompetence of the leadership and the dishonesty of Farage and some of his hirelings and boot lickers.