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Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 25/11/2015

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Nick Clegg Defeated Nigel Farage With Rousing EU Referendum Speech At Oxford Union

Posted: 23/11/2015 23:57 GMT Updated: 24/11/2015 15:59 GMT 

Former Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg delivered a passionate and rousing defence of the European Union tonight, as he called on Britain’s youngsters to reject the “politics of grievance, of division, of blame, of fear.”

Speaking in an Oxford Union debate on whether the UK should remain in the EU, the ex-Deputy Prime Minister spoke passionately about why Britain should be at the centre of the European project, not outside of it.

Alongside former European Commission President Jose Manuel Barosso, Mr Clegg admitted the EU wasn’t perfect, but dismissed the notion problems with terrorism and immigration would disappear if the UK voted to leave in the upcoming referendum.

Arguing in favour of Brexit, Ukip leader Nigel Farage likened the UK’s relationship with the EU to that of an unhappy marriage, and said Britain could thrive in the world without the burden of Brussels.

But it was Mr Clegg who won the loudest applause from the 500 students gathered in the famous Oxford Union, some of whom had queued for five and half hours in the November cold to get inside for the debate.

Mr Clegg appeared reinvigorated and refreshed since leading the Lib Dems to their disastrous electoral result in May, and in his closing speech said: “It is your choice, it is your generation’s choice. Do you choose the politics of grievance, of division, of blame, of fear, that we’ve heard this evening, that pretty well equates the European Union with terrorism, conflates the European Union with immigration as if terrorism and immigration suddenly disappear like the morning mist if we suddenly pulled out the European Union? What a ludicrous thing to say and what a dishonest thing to say.

“Or you can choose something so much better. The politics, not of perfection, but of generosity. Not of rigidity, but of compromise, not of ideological blame, but of give and take, of the belief that in this wonderful European continent of ours with Britain in the lead we can create a peaceful, sustainable and strong European Union and a strong United Kingdom at the heart of it.”

Embedded image permalinkEmbedded image permalinkMr Barosso used his speech to spell out the ways the EU benefitted from the UK being a member, and claimed the only country in the world which would be happy to see Brexit would be Russia.

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Veteran Tory Eurosceptic Sir Bill Cash claimed the EU was becoming increasingly “German orientated” and democracy in Europe was “on the cusp” of falling apart.

He said: “Only 43 per cent of the population turn out in the whole of Europe for the election to the [European] parliament.”

Sir Bill added: “We cannot allow that to continue”

Embedded image permalinkHe said: “They fell in love and got married in their late teens. 40 years they’ve been together. In the early days it was pretty good, but it’s been getting increasingly rotten over the last 35 years.

“All the people say to her ‘You must stay with him. Oh I know he’s a terrible bully! I know he makes all the rules and the laws in the house! I know he forbids you from making your own friends but surely it’s better that you stay together?’

“There are some perhaps who tended towards her side and vex themselves with the question: ‘Could she cope on her own? Was she really up to it? Could she manage her own shopping basket and run her own life?’”

Mr Farage then quipped that the couple had been to marriage counselling in Brussels 40 times, and each time “the court ruled in favour of the husband”.

However, the Ukip leader’s badinage wasn’t enough to carry the day, the Union voting 283 in favour of staying in the EU, with 73 against.

Embedded image permalinkMr Farage drew laughter from the audience when he compared the UK and EU’s relationship to that of a loveless marriage.

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Some comfort may be derived from the utter inconsequentiality of the outcome of Oxford Union debates as shown by the events that followed  the Oxford Union debating society of Oxford University in England on 9 February 1933. The motion, that this House will in no circumstances fight for its King and Country, was carried by 275 votes to 153.

‘What is wrong with the younger generation?’ was seemingly the general view, though Cambridge University threatened to pull out of the boat race as the two Universities were of such widely differing sentiments!

The Daily Express said of it: “There is no question but that the woozy-minded Communists, the practical jokers, and the sexual indeterminates of Oxford have scored a great success in the publicity that has followed this victory…. Even the plea of immaturity, or the irresistible passion of the undergraduate for posing, cannot excuse such a contemptible and indecent action as the passing of that resolution”.

No doubt the same could be said of the recent vote – though it should be remembered that Winston Churchill opined that the result greatly influenced the decision making of both Germany & Japan!

It is also widely rumoured that those who voted against war had a far higher than national average response to military ‘Call Up’ when the phony war was over – It would seem that The OU may well tend to vote idealistically but act both pragmatically and responsibly. let us hope the same is true today as relative to the 1933 vote.

It is also worthy of note that Neville Chamberlain returned from Munich with Douglas Hume making much of his apparent appeasement of Hitler, yet shortly after landing on his return he and Douglas Hume entered the Cabinet Office to a full Cabinet meeting and before they had removed their coats, and before the meeting commenced and was minuted Chamberlain announced ‘Gentlemen prepare for war …’ the meeting commenced AFTER tea had been served!

By this device Chamberlain bought Britain time for re-armament as had we followed Churchill’s bellicose advice at the time Britain would have lost the war in very short order, not just because our airforce was woefully under equipped but the other services were equally unprepared and neither had we obtained the support of the Commonwealth for the protection of Europe against Union in defeat under the militaristic control of Germany.

Perhaps those who may wish to crow with glee at The OU’s willingness to surrender to foreign and very much alien control both in 1933 & again in November 2015 would do well to learn the lessons of history – we are still in that period of phony war as yet we have no clear date for the Referendum though the smart money is on Autumn 2017 there are still no organised Leave-The-Eu  despite the excitable premature ejaculations of the greedy and self important leadership of Vlte_Leave & Leave.EU who would seem to be destroying themselves and each other ignorant and indifferent of the damage they are potentially doing to these United Kingdoms as they scrabble and squabble for the £7,000,000 Government pot of funding for the Leave Campaign, not to mention the huge income that is to be made from data mining and other spin offs and residuals by the less ethical who are now emerging to try to seize the pot!

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