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Farage gets some political coverage of value!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 06/07/2012

Farage gets some political coverage of value!
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Nigel Farage gets some political coverage in The Telegraph of value!
It is rare to see an article from UKIP of any calliber!!

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The time will never be right for David Cameron to hold a referendum on the EU

The Prime Minister should explain why Britain can’t vote on continued membership of the failing European Union

Nigel Farage: 'Once again, I challenge the Prime Minister to have an open debate with me on why he believes we must stay part of this failing, corrupt EU. The future of our nation is at stake. Mr Cameron, you have my phone number'

Nigel Farage: ‘I challenge the Prime Minister to have an open debate with me on why he believes we must stay part of this failing, corrupt EU. The future of our nation is at stake. Mr Cameron, you have my phone number’ Photo: Eddie Mulholland

By Nigel Farage

8:10PM BST 05 Jul 2012

I have had enough of being told that we will have an EU referendum “when the time is right”. The time has come for a real debate: I challenge the Prime Minister to debate with me why he will not give us a say on our relationship with the European Union.

Anyone following David Cameron’s recent twists and turns on the EU could be forgiven for feeling dizzy. At one time, there was a “cast-iron guarantee” of a referendum. Then, last year, he three-line-whipped Conservative MPs to oppose the idea of holding one. Events last week did nothing to add clarity. On Friday in Brussels, with Angela Merkel looming over him, we were told that there would be no referendum. But 48 hours later, in an article in The Sunday Telegraph, he suggested that a referendum might be a possibility, though not just yet.

There is one note of total consistency. On at least half a dozen occasions, the Prime Minister has been clear that there will not be – must not be – a choice of whether we stay in or leave the EU.

The explanation is that it is in our interests to remain a member, so it does not matter what voters think. It’s a case of “I, David Cameron, have made up my mind.” This assertion, shared by almost the entire political class, must be questioned in an open debate. Those of us who have dared to challenge the consensus have been mocked and derided, but opinion polls now show that the British people do not want to be part of a political union.

The Prime Minister overstates the benefits of EU membership. I believe we would be better off out. My parents’ generation voted to remain a part of a Common Market which they believed to be a free-trade agreement that would not impinge on our rights of self-government. We were conned in 1975 and we must not allow that to be repeated today.

Mr Cameron claims that 3.5 million British jobs depend on us remaining part of the European Union. This comment always goes undisputed. It is based on the number of jobs dependent on exports to the EU and assumes that leaving the union would mean no further business between us and the EU – an incredibly weak, illogical argument. In 2010, the EU sold us £50 billion worth of goods more than we sold them. In short, they need us more than we need them. There is no chance of Mercedes, for example, refusing to sell us cars if we amicably divorce ourselves from political union.

The EU is a Seventies solution to a Fifties problem. The world has moved on since the “Common Market”, with World Trade Organisation agreements guaranteeing trading terms. Countries like Norway, Switzerland and even Mexico have free trade deals with the EU. Trade will continue as it does now with consumers making their choices in the marketplace. We are the world’s fifth-largest trading nation and yet, incredibly, we are banned from negotiating our own trade deals around the world. Ukip believes the Commonwealth is a good place to start, with its shared ties, common law, common language and a growth rate that outstrips our European neighbours.

But the benefits of leaving do not stop there. One of the most contentious issues in UK politics is immigration. With new arrivals running at 600,000 a year, the public demands that something must be done. But there is a problem. EU membership means that we have an open-door policy for our poorer European neighbours and a benefits system that encourages people to come here.

I was asked last week what I thought about new figures showing that Britain was the favoured destination for asylum seekers. I replied that 14,000 asylum seekers make up a small percentage of the total number of immigrants. Only by leaving the EU can we control our borders and apply a sensible and fair work permit scheme. My party is often accused of being anti-immigration. We are not. Work permits would allow talented, qualified people from all over the world a chance to contribute to the future of this country. Australia does it and so should we.

The other thing I am often asked about is human rights. Whether the issue is votes for prisoners or the failure to deport criminals on the spurious grounds of a “right to a family life”, our Government and courts are impotent. Highly paid, politicised lawyers will tell you that the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg is separate to the EU. That is no longer true. EU membership demands acceptance of all ECHR judgments and the EU intends to become a signatory in its own right, as part of the Lisbon Treaty. While we remain part of the EU, the chances of us wrestling back British judicial powers are slim.

I am pessimistic, however, that any of these serious issues will be addressed. My prediction is that Mr Cameron will be given one small, paltry concession from the EU over workers’ rights and will then present this as a victory of renegotiation. A referendum promise in the next Tory election manifesto on any “new package” would leave us exactly where we are now, still governed by Brussels, still unable to make our own laws and still paying £50 million a day for the “privilege” of belonging to this undemocratic club.

Once again, I challenge the Prime Minister to have an open debate with me on why he believes we must stay part of this failing, corrupt EU. The future of our nation is at stake. Mr Cameron, you have my phone number.

To view the original of this article & comments CLICK HERE
The article is somewhat sabotaged, whether deliberately or not is hard to tell when at one moment members are told Steve Crowther has quit as an executive of UKIP having accepted the blame for the total debacle that was UKIP’s Local Election campaign and the risible results last May when out of 4,796 seats were up for election and UKIP were such a spectacular failure after 20 years only winning 9!
Yet consider this ‘e’Mail:
Steve Crowther
A Farage makeweight Placeman!

Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2012 11:11:12 +0100

Subject: Comment on Nigel’s article
From: Steve Crowther <sjcrowther@btinternet.com>
To: UKIP ROs 2011 <sjcrowther@btinternet.com>,
  UKIP Regional Chairmen 2011 <sjcrowther@btinternet.com>,
  UKIP NEC 2012 <sjcrowther@btinternet.com>,
  UKIP MEPs 2011 <sjcrowther@btinternet.com>
Thread-Topic: Comment on Nigel’s article

Dear All

PLEASE ADD A COMMENT BELOW NIGEL’S ARTICLE IN THE D TEL TODAY: THE MORE THEY GET, THE MORE THEY ARE LIKELY TO ASK FOR MORE ARTICLES FROM HIM.

Farage challenges Cameron to a debate on Europe

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/9378567/The-time-will-never-be-right-for-David-Cameron-to-hold-a-referendum-on-the-EU.html

Regards, Steve

Stephen Crowther, Chairman, UK Independence Party
Eastacombe House, Heanton, Barnstaple, N. Devon EX31 4DG
Phone 01271 813844 Mobile 07775 787579

Such rank amateurism is staggering and surely can not be for real!
Even for UKIP this is just naff – don’t forget the letter writting campaign and pressure brought on the media by Edward Heath in his betrayal of Britain campaign to surrender to vassal status in The EU (EEC at the time) at least he ensured that did not become common knowledge for many years out of simple professionalism!
Yes of course it was good to see an article of this length on this subject on The Telegraph web site earlier this morning but to see it undermined by UKIP leadership themselves within just a matter of hours speaks volumes of UKIP’s complete ineptitude, incompetence and clear lack of fitness for the task of leading Britain to Leave-The-EU – UKIP is unfit for purpose in its present form with its present incompetent leadership and extremist associates!
To be fair it covers various points but like many of my own articles uses too many words!It is unfortunate that Nigel Farage lacks the leadership qualities to attract and retain the staff of sufficient callier to work for him as researchers and speech writers and thus much of what he writes and says is off the cuff and just doesn’t hit the spot.
That Farage is leader of a pro EU membership reformist Pan EU group of the extreme righ wing, with criminal associates with convictions for child abuse, fraud, theft, assault, racism, anti Judaism, anti Islamism, anti homosexual and that his own party fails to follow his lead in many instances deeply undermines what little credibility he can still muster having fallen out with even his own placements amongst his MEPs and on his NEC.
Yes of course this is much better than his normal material, as all too often that is just reportage by others of the most noticeable aspects of Farage and his party, their louche and crass behaviour, their idiotic posturing, their complete lack of gravitas or political nouse or failing all else Farage’s testicles – It is almost unheard of to find a serious article espousing the principles of Leave-The-EU emanating from Farage or UKIP but then again in 20 years they have failed to debate, design and demand an exit and survival strategy for when we do Leave-The-EU, as we surely will if for no other reason than it will continue to fail and eventually collapse most probably dragging Britain into the vile morass it is working towards!
The article in todays Telegraph, as ever, fails to reasure the timerous or show WHY Britain will be Better-Off-Out and it is clear tyhere is no individual of stature, gravitas and competence to lead the Leave-The-EU side of the referendum, currently in the public eye.
There is also no visible way shown as to how the ‘Political Elte’ and the others who betray these United Kingdoms for their own gain can be prevented from cheating to ensure they can claim a victory and leave Britain in bonded status as vassals of the malign self serving self enriching mechanism of The EU as a supra national state bereft of democracy of any meaningful standards deserving of the name4 or even the fundamental human right of ‘self determination’ as enshrined in The UN Charter!
The article published in Farage’s name fails to show WHY we will be Better-Off-Out nor the exit and survival strategy to Leave-The-EU. Due to this sadly it merely comes across as a showman seeking attention and yet again lacks gravitas or plausibility.
That is not to gainsay it is better than having not been published – Let us hope a better calliber of script writer can be found to write his next article for him.
Regards,
Greg_L-W..
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