Ukip-vs-EUkip

We aim to inform YOU & provide an archive re: Ukip to TRY to make it fit for purpose

Archive for June 29th, 2011

#0574* – Gerard BATTEN’s Views on Joining A PEPP

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 29/06/2011

#0574* – Gerard BATTEN’s Views on Joining A PEPP

 Please Be Sure To
.Follow Greg_LW on Twitter.
Re-TWEET my Twitterings
& Publicise My Blogs 

To Spread The Facts World Wide

of

&

Clean EUkip up NOW make UKIP electable! 

.

The corruption of EUkip’s leadership, 
their anti UKIP claque in POWER & the NEC 
is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!  
  .
UKIP’s Gerard BATTEN MEP May Not Be The Brightest or Boldest but he has Views on Joining A PEPP!!

.

~~~~~~~~~~#########~~~~~~~~~~
.
Gerard BATTEN’s Views on Joining A PEPP

 Gerard BATTEN’s Views on Joining A PEPP


Hi,

although I know Gerard Batten is far from bright and also has little understanding of morality, ethics or Justice here are his views as a list MEP for UKIP regarding membership of a PEPP.


He does rather make a fool of himself in part when he claims he is a withdrawalist and would not wish to be associated with  a reformist PEPP.


After a couple of years as a member of the extremist, racist, anti homosexual, anti Jewish and pro EU membership Reformist EFD with no sign that he will ever develop a backbone of his own – One has to wonder why Gerard Batten introduces this outright dishonesty so undermining the rest of his opinions and claims.


I did however point out he really isn’t very bright and when it comes to backbone he is indubitably a spineless coward.


Why I will be voting No to UKIP joining a European Political Party:

by: Gerald Batten MEP

I have taken a pragmatic approach to this issue and I base my decision to vote No in the internal ballot in September on the available information. In my view there are two main issues to be considered before making a decision. . 

Firstly, can UKIP MEPs or members join a European Political Party without compromising our withdrawalist principles? . 

Secondly, if the answer to the first question is ‘yes’, can the money or resources available be used to assist UKIP and our cause of British withdrawal from the EU? 

Would joining a European Political Party compromise UKIP’s withdrawalist principles? 

The honest answer to that we don’t know. 

We don’t know what it is we are being asked to join. We are being asked to sign a blank cheque and give blanket approval for UKIP MEPs and members to join an unknown quantity. What is the Constitution or ‘Statute’ of the party in question? Either we haven’t been told or it doesn’t yet exist. 

This ballot question should not even be posed at this time. It should wait until we can be presented with a specific European party constitution or statute that we can consider. 

If such a party were for example the ‘European Party of EU Withdrawlists’ specifically dedicated to nation states unilaterally leaving the EU then I might consider joining – but that is not what is on offer. 

The only statute that we have is that of the European Alliance for Freedom. The statute of this party is in the public domain and can be found on the internet. 

This includes the aim to: “campaign for a non-centralised, transparent, flexible and democratically controlled EU…” This is clearly not a withrawalist party but a reformist one. Do you want to reform the EU or to leave? I was a founder member of UKIP in September 1993 and it was I who proposed the name UK Independence Party. 

I am an unconditional withdrawalist and I would not join a reformist party. 

Can the money or resources available be used to assist our cause of British withdrawal from the EU? The basis on which European political parties will take part in the European elections in 2014 has not yet been decided by an EU Directive and transposed into national law. 

The practicalities of how a list of 25 or so candidates will campaign across the European Union has not been finalised and is causing some practical difficulties for those drafting the legislation. 

However one thing we know is that is that the list of candidates will fight under the name of their party, e.g. the ‘European Alliance for Freedom’ – not the UK Independence Party. 

The voters will most likely be presented with two ballot papers: one will bear UKIP’s name the other will not, it will bear the name of the European political parties. 

This will not directly help UKIP or our withdrawalist cause. 

The money available cannot be spent on UKIP. It can only be used on European political parties. The EU’s regulations clearly state the money cannot be spent on: 
Campaign costs for referenda and elections (except for European Elections for a European Party). 
Direct or indirect funding for national parties, election candidates and political foundations both at national and European level. . Debts and debt service charges 

PUT SIMPLY: UKIP CANNOT USE THIS MONEY

European Political Foundations: 
Great play is being made of the money that could be used to set up a political foundation as a ‘think tank’ to assist our cause. But once again, who will determine what this think tank produces? A foundation will be affiliated to a European political party.

We have the same problem as in our first question: what will be its platform?Will it produce studies advocating EU withdrawal or just EU reform? We don’t know. 

Is this issue similar to the one UKIP faced in the 1990s concerning taking up seats in the European Parliament? No. In 1994, as UKIP’s European Election Organiser, I argued that UKIP should fight on the platform of not taking up our seats in the European Parliament. After some years of careful consideration I changed my view in 2001. 

I was able to change that view because taking up our seats did not compromise UKIP’s withdrawalist principles. UKIP fights European elections on our terms – not those of the European Union or foreigners influencing or determining our party constitution or manifesto. 

Conclusion: 
The Yes campaign website in this ballot have kindly referred to me as follows, “Nobody who has the privilege of working with Gerard would describe him for a second as an ‘integrationist’ or a ‘federalist’. But to his substantial credit, he remains fully and properly engaged with the enemy at the front”
.
I am grateful for their generosity in acknowledging my efforts. But because I am an uncompromising, unconditional withdrawalist. I will not vote Yes to UKIP members joining a European political party until I know what it is, what it stands for, and that it will campaign for outright withdrawal from the EU. 

I intend to vote No in this ballot, and I hope that a majority of my fellow UKIP members will do likewise. When we are presented with a specific statute for a European political party, and a proposal for the work of a Political Foundation we can make an informed decision. 

Not until then. 

The horse must come before the cart.

To view the original article CLICK HERE

~~~~~~~~~~#########~~~~~~~~~~

INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance
&
Work With THE MIDNIGHT GROUP to
Reclaim YOUR Future 
&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK
Write Upon Your Ballot Paper at EVERY election:
(IF You Have No INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance Candidate) .
to Reclaim YOUR Future 
&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK
Posted by: Greg Lance-Watkins
tel: 01291 – 62 65 62
DO MAKE USE of LINKS & >Right Side Bar< Also:
General Stuff: http://gl-w.blogspot.com  
Health Blog.: http://GregLW.blogspot.com  
TWITTER: Greg_LW
 
 Please Be Sure To 
.Follow Greg_LW on Twitter.
Re-TWEET my Twitterings
& Publicise My Blogs 

To Spread The Facts World Wide
of
&

. .

~~~~~~~~~~#########~~~~~~~~~~
 
 INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance

&
Work With THE MIDNIGHT GROUP to
Reclaim YOUR Future 
&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK
Write Upon Your Ballot Paper at EVERY election:
(IF You Have No INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance Candidate) .
to Reclaim YOUR Future 
&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK
Posted by: Greg Lance-Watkins
tel: 01291 – 62 65 62
of: Greg_L-W@BTconnect.com DO MAKE USE of LINKS & >Right Side Bar< Also:
Details & Links: http://GregLanceWatkins.Blogspot.com  
General Stuff: http://gl-w.blogspot.com  
Health Blog.: http://GregLW.blogspot.com  
TWITTER: Greg_LW
 

 Please Be Sure To 
.Follow Greg_LW on Twitter
Re-TWEET my Twitterings
& Publicise My Blogs 

To Spread The Facts World Wide

of

&

Posted in Gerard BATTEN MEP, PEPP, YES to PEPP | Leave a Comment »

#0573* – Birmingham UKIP PEPP YES/NO DEBATE

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 29/06/2011

#0573* – Birmingham UKIP PEPP YES/NO DEBATE

For more aggregated facts, rules, information, debate and opinion of PEPPs (Pan EUropean Political Parties CLICK HERE 

Already the EU seeks to remove the word ‘Political’ from the abbreviation to hide the integrationist aspect and inexorable efforts to eradicate National Politics – This is just another step in the destruction of liberty and denial of Democracy which The EU is seeking to impose by bribing OUR-ENEMY-WITHIN to adopt, with OUR money.


Little wonder we see proven liars & the untrustworthy lined up to promote this new hope of self enrichment!

 Please Be Sure To
.Follow Greg_LW on Twitter.
Re-TWEET my Twitterings
& Publicise My Blogs 

To Spread The Facts World Wide

of

&

Clean EUkip up NOW make UKIP electable! 

.

The corruption of EUkip’s leadership, 
their anti UKIP claque in POWER & the NEC 
is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!    
.
~Birmingham UKIP PEPP YES/NO DEBATE!!

.

~~~~~~~~~~#########~~~~~~~~~~
.

27-Jun-2011 – BIrmingham UKIP PEPP YES/NO DEBATE

Posting made to the blog 11:30hrs. 29-Jun-2011 


For a further report on this meeting see: CLICK HERE

Nigel Farage’s Official salaried boot licker Michael Greaves stated:
‘UKIP Members are to stupid & naive to understand the issues’
no doubt mimicking His Master’s voice he continued:
‘he knows understands the issues because he works in the EU parliament.

It seems he has learned little and is very naive regarding communication skills as his presentation, like the liar & low life scum Mick McGough‘s was unconvincing, demeaning and dragged UKIP into the corrupt gutter they clearly share.

UKIP: Bloody nose for Yes Team and Farage at West Midland PEP Debate!

Farage’s plans for UKIP to join a PEP pan European party are being dealt severe blows in regional debates across the country where, so far, the reaction has been overwhelmingly a 90% No!We have been told, this was last night expressed more in the West Midlands than anywhere else – a region devastated by UKIPs national infighting and the de-selection of popular local MEP Nikki Sinclaire.

A packed room, we are told of 50-60 people heard from both sides. The ‘No’ campaign was represented by Trevor Colman MEP and Mike Smith. Mick ‘Porky Pie’ Mick ‘Porky Pie’ McGough and Michael ‘who ate all the pies’ Greaves represented the ‘Yes’ campaign.

The ‘NO’ side stole the show arguing on principle with passion (notably Mike Smith), that UKIP should stay true to its withdrawalist principles. This was greeted with constant cheering and clapping from the floor.

The ‘Yes’ argument, as always, centred around money, money and more money!

Unfortunately for Farage and his sycophants this wasn’t lost on the audience! McGough and Greaves were clearly out of favour with the audience. Indeed, they only received a polite clap from two or three people after delevering their ten minute pitch. We also note that their replies to questions from the audience were met in silence, in complete contrast to the response to the no side.

Michael Greaves even felt it necessary to claim angrily to a question from a member that they were too naive to understand the issues and that he knew best as he worked in the European Parliament! This drew hisses and shouts from the audience.

Michael then attacked were made on those MEPs that had left the EFD. This resulted in a passionate reply from Mike Smith.

We are pleased to note that this drew the biggest applause of the evening in responding. He stated that Trevor, Nikki and Mike were right to leave the EFD and that they had done so because of their principles. He also expressed anger that they were constantly being attacked in certain quarters for doing what every UKIP MEP should have done – leave the EFD! He then pointed out that they were all actively campaigning for the Euro-realist cause by producing literature, leaflets, websites and petitions.

How sad that Steve Crowther (chair) tried to silence Mike. And this was despite having just allowed criticism from the other side. You really couldn’t make it up!

We suspect the West Midlands might hold the biggest opposition to the EFD than anywhere else!

The yes side continued to lie in suggesting that the party would receive funding from 13 MEPs (as stated in March’s edition of Independence News). This was clearly a deliberate attempt to mislead UKIPPERS as only a maximum of 9 UKIP MEPs would join a PEP.

Let us not forget that Mike, Nikki and Trevor are adamant that they are not going join a PEP. And have they forgotten that Bannerman has now left UKIP for the Tories? Quoting figure after figure based on 13 MEPs (promising a third more funding than they would be entitled to) is yet again another example of the level of dishonesty that we have come to expect from the ‘Yes’ campaign!

We will leave you with some words from Farage – before he went native – which are now being repeated at regional meetings across the country.

‘’We are opposed on principle to the idea of state funding of political parties, either nationally or at a European level. It is not an appropriate use of tax-payers’ money”.


To view the original of this article CLICK HERE

For Details of Pan EU Political Parties in The EU CLICK HERE

& for aggregation of articles & comments on PEPPs CLICK HERE

For details of One of The PEPPs Godfrey Bloom has joined CLICK HERE

For details of the vile extremist & racist Group Farage & UKIP are in CLICK HERE
. .

~~~~~~~~~~#########~~~~~~~~~~
 
 INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance

&
Work With THE MIDNIGHT GROUP to
Reclaim YOUR Future 
&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK
Write Upon Your Ballot Paper at EVERY election:
(IF You Have No INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance Candidate) .
to Reclaim YOUR Future 
&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK
Posted by: Greg Lance-Watkins
tel: 01291 – 62 65 62
DO MAKE USE of LINKS & >Right Side Bar< Also:
General Stuff: http://gl-w.blogspot.com  
Health Blog.: http://GregLW.blogspot.com  
TWITTER: Greg_LW
 
 Please Be Sure To 
.Follow Greg_LW on Twitter.
Re-TWEET my Twitterings
& Publicise My Blogs 

To Spread The Facts World Wide
of
&

. .

Enhanced by Zemanta

Posted in Michael GREAVES, Mick McGOUGH, Nigel FARAGE MEP, Nikki SINCLAIRE MEP, Steve Crowther, Trevor COLMAN MEP, UKIP | Leave a Comment »

#0572* – Noted That Lies of Mick McGough are Officially Edited

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 29/06/2011

#0572* – Noted That Lies of Mick McGough are Officially Edited

 Please Be Sure To 
.Follow Greg_LW on Twitter.
Re-TWEET my Twitterings
& Publicise My Blogs 

To Spread The Facts World Wide

of

&

Clean EUkip up NOW make UKIP electable! 

.

The corruption of EUkip’s leadership, 
their anti UKIP claque in POWER & the NEC 
is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!  
.
~Noted That Lies of Mick McGough are Officially Edited!!

.

~~~~~~~~~~#########~~~~~~~~~~
.
Hi,

I note the lies and distortions presented so dishonestly by The Essex Oik and habitual liar Mick McGough have had to be edited out of the dishonest pro PEPP video seeking to con UKIP members into supporting his lies.

Nothing new there then!

Interestingly the PEPP presentation debate in Birmingham on Monday night led to a very clear rejection of Mick McGough’s sales patter but it was almost amusing for the audience of around 60 to have the smug, arrogant and oleagenous Michael Greaves there trying and in his obvious incompetence almost succeeding to make even Mick McGough seem intelligent!

As Mick McGough has been proven to be a liar, a low life and completely untrustworthy in that not content with his childish attempts at bullying he has even leaked UKIP confidential material to try to seem important.

The extent of his sycophancy is understandable as his insecurity would lead him to cross the country for the opening of an envelope if he thought he would have an opportunmity to bore people with his mumbled and self congratulatory behaviour.

What astonishes me is that otherwise well meaning if somewhat meaningless organisations like The CIB are prepared to be associated with this egregious piece of filth.

Yet more astonishing is that The Freedom Association, debased as it is since the death of Norris McWhirter its founder, has felt it apposite to surrender its accounts to a treasurer with a track record of dishonesty, corruption and lies.

It is however good to see that Steve Allison did manage to force the pro PEPP group of scoundrels to remove the lies and distortions by Mick McGough from their video presentation.

It was interesting to note having blown any chance of being taken seriously ever again little John Ison sat furtively considering whose boots to lick next but with no opinion of his own – perhaps the police have finally got around to feeling his collar over the thefts from Nikki Sinclaire and the false accusations he made based it seems on ‘ajustments’ he deliberately made to the record and material he boasted of having stolen – No wonder little Guy Basnett would not publish his fantasies and the Times used allegedly more than any other word portraying Ison as untrustworthy – how right they were!

It is a tragedy that after 18 years in the political field that UKIP are unable to field anyone of probity and charisma to sell its views even internally manfully as Mike Smith tried, particularly in defence of the drab and tedious Trevor Colman – however much Mick Nattrass yodelled his support from the back 😉

I think it is fair to say that UKIP would, without the efforts of Mike Nattrass’ firplace chappy Derek Bennett, have probably not managed to raise an audience of more than a dozen or two but Derek’s efforts did up the crowd somewhat.

Interestingly in direct opposition to Stuart Agnew who has openly stated he will consider joining a PEPP for his direct gain (no doubt under instruction from his masters The NFU) he has stated regardless of the vote he will join a PEPP (See Tavistock meeting video on CLICK HERE)

Under direct questioning when asked if the vote had any meaning and was it binding on the MEPs/Party as a closing question many will remember Steve Crowthers reply in which he gave assurances that it would be binding.

This may well prove to be Steve Crowther’s swan song having laid his neck on the block and the details which came to me this afternoon are now published at CLICK HERE

Should anyone wish to read the rules for PEPPs they can be found at CLICK HERE

For Details of Pan EU Political Parties in The EU CLICK HERE

& for aggregation of articles & comments on PEPPs CLICK HERE

For details of One of The PEPPs Godfrey Bloom has joined CLICK HERE

For details of the vile extremist & racist Group Farage & UKIP are in CLICK HERE
. .

~~~~~~~~~~#########~~~~~~~~~~
 
 INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance

&
Work With THE MIDNIGHT GROUP to
Reclaim YOUR Future 
&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK
Write Upon Your Ballot Paper at EVERY election:
(IF You Have No INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance Candidate) .
to Reclaim YOUR Future 
&
GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK
Posted by: Greg Lance-Watkins
tel: 01291 – 62 65 62
of: Greg_L-W@BTconnect.com DO MAKE USE of LINKS & >Right Side Bar< Also:
Details & Links: http://GregLanceWatkins.Blogspot.com General Stuff: http://gl-w.blogspot.com  
Health Blog.: http://GregLW.blogspot.com  
TWITTER: Greg_LW
 

 Please Be Sure To 
.Follow Greg_LW on Twitter.
Re-TWEET my Twitterings
& Publicise My Blogs 

To Spread The Facts World Wide

of

&

Enhanced by Zemanta

Posted in Birmingham, Michael GREAVES, Mick McGOUGH, NO to PEPPs, Norris McWhirter, The Freedom Association | Leave a Comment »

 
%d bloggers like this: