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#601* – EUkip & FACING The GENERAL ELECTION

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 25/08/2009

#601* – EUkip & FACING The GENERAL ELECTION

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership
& NEC is what gives the remaining 10%
a bad name!


#601* – EUkip & FACING The GENERAL ELECTION – Opinions, Including Dr. Eric EDMOND, elected by UKIP members to EUkip NEC.

2010 General Election – a Poisoned Challice

I am increasingly coming to the view that winning the 2010 UK General Election will be worse than losing it. The conventional view is that with finances in such a mess taxes will have to rise and public services be cut to bring some sense of fiscal probity to HMG. Without this the UK credit rating may well slip from AAA and we will have to pay a higher interest rate price to sell government debt, gilts. These necessary actions will be horrendously unpopular politically and will lead to a host of sob stories on UK TV with single mothers, the unemployed especially the young and the homeless being portrayed as victims of an uncaring government. This is an unedifying prospect for any government, particularly one with a small or no majority facing another election in 2011/12.

The over riding aim of all politicians however is to be re-elected back on to the gravy train. Margaret Beckett’s claims in the DT this morning that “A career in politics leaves MPs out of pocket” is risible and shows how out of touch she is with the electorate. Does she take us for fools? The obvious conflict of interest between a desire to be re-elected and the poisoned challice is easily resolved – be relected as an opposition MP! This needs you to be selected for safe Labour seat and there may be some competition for those even after the expense claim junkies have been weeded out. The nice thing is you will then have Dave’s inexperienced A listers to shoot at for a couple of years on a ‘result’ wicket just like at the Oval. Even Labour’s bowling will look good and when Dave is skittled out for a low score, well all options are open!

The elephants in the room, the EU, Islamic birth rates and culture, the white under class living on benefits won’t get a mention by the main parties. Why not? Because they are all vote losers stupid. Another sure fire vote loser is Farage‘s pet project to bring back grammar schools. For every child that gets into grammar school five to ten will not. So its one winner who might vote for you and five or more losers who will vote against you. I believe in selection in education but you have go to be a lot more subtle about how to bring it back than Farage‘s simplistic approach. The Cabal don’t do subtle. They are not clever enough.

So how will UKIP fare in the UK general election? Not very well I fear. The leaders are all nicely tucked up in Brussels so there is no real incentive. There is also no District Councillor base to build on and no UKIP policies targetted at this election despite the valiant efforts of people like Alan Wood in Salisbury to build both these areas up. UKIP’s core, get out of the EU policy is not a GE issue and is easy meat for its opponents who can point to the UKIP MEPs like Andreasen who is clearly not a withdrawalist.

Worse for UKIP however is that the BNP may get an MP. They have a local authority base in some areas with a number of councillors on some councils. The UK electoral system rewards this geographical concentration of support. Also the BNP core stop immigration policy will be a big issue in the General Election especially in these areas that people have to meet the effects of immigration day in and day out. They are a transparently British party, based in, and run from, and financed in UK . They don’t have an Andreasen/EU flank that opponents can attack them on. They will almost certainly come second in one or two seats and thus be well placed for a further push if there is a quick second election.

All in all I fear UKIP has probably seen its electoral high water mark.

To view his original article CLICK HERE

Hi,

surely UKIP’s biggest problem is that they have clearly ‘gone native’ as EUkip.

Not only do they have the discreditted foreign national Marta Andreasen, who has been serially fired for her failure as a bean counter and even incurred allegations of racism when suspended by the OECD. A pro EU reformist who whored her principles around several parties before she could find one dumb enough or corrupt enough to be taken in by her – including TWO interviews with The Christian Alliance Party where at both of which she was rejected!

Then there is Trevor Colman who colluded in the theft of public money by seeking to cover up the frauds for which Tom Wise is currently facing the courts with Lindsay Jenkins. It does look as if Colman’s ‘payolla’ for his collusion in crime, as an ex cop, was first place on the MEP list with a safish seat!

That EUkip has several MEPs under investigation by the Police, Legal Authorities and OLAF can help little – clearly their MEP (until he stood down) Tom Wise & their researcher being in Court for money laundering can help little.

Then of course the fact that they are likely to be penalised to the tune of around £1/2Million on the guilty verdict of The Westminster Magistrates Courts. There are also seemingly several £M of public money that would appear to have been trousered by EUkip!

A further problem EUkip will have at The GE is that they have allied with the people they see most like them to form a pan EU Political Party Group – thus they are now associated with extremist racists, advocates of xenophobic killings and sexually intollerant to form the EFD!

Perhaps EUkip should consider who actually saved them from wipeout in the EU elections and got 13 such crass MEPs in place:

Most Expensive MPs 2007/8
Member name Total claimed
1 Eric Joyce £187,334
2 Michael Connarty £183,466
3 Alistair Carmichael £176,190
4 Ben Wallace £175,523
5 Mohammad Sarwar £174,882
6 Charles Kennedy £174,232
7 Janet Anderson £173,556
8 David S Borrow £172,706
9 Jim McGovern £171,989
10 Fabian Hamilton £171,824

Greatly helped by such crass dishonesty as that of Hazel Blears, Elliott Morley, Barbara Follett, Alan Duncan, The Kirkhopes and their ilk.

I doubt EUkip’s integrity such that they may award them medals at conference for their help, for without them EUkip WOULD NOT have had more than one or two MEPs elected and rightly so based on their track record and achievements with 12 elected MEPs during the preceding 5 years, during which they achieved virtually nothing of value to these United kingdoms, stole public money, abused their positions trashed their party UKIP and dragged the party into the gutter where clearly the leadership were more at home.

One need only read much of their publicity!

EUkip has destroyed UKIP with its dishonesty, lies, cheating and corruption.

They will NOT get an MP elected – a tragedy that UKIP has been so betrayed by its leadership – some of whom have even been ‘wangling’ for place with UKFirstParty without even resigning from EUkip – no doubt hoping to ride both horses to double their personal chances!

Sadly those left in EUkip have little or no understanding of morality, honesty, duty or ethics.

I have previously asked how David Bannerman, Nikki Sinclair, Gawain Towler etc. feel about having been grouped with the openly sexually intollerant politicians of the Lega Nord and others who believe perverts should be ‘hunted, shot at and driven out’.

How do such as William Dartmouth square the circle, regardless of his dishonest and corrupt minder Malcolm Wood, with the view that imigrants in boats should be machine gunned and bombed?

We know, based on her track record, that Marta Andreasen will be happy to prostitute herself to any view and to lie and cheat to keep her snout in the EU troughs on the gravy train.

Then again we have asked whether EUkip’s accounts are a fraud or whether Farage is a liar and has been stealing party money – answer came there none!

Do remember that we were assured by the foolish Nattrass that he had donated more to EUkip than he had earned – strange since there is no equivallence in the accounts – was he telling lies or are the accounts totally fraudulent?

Seriousy could any honest Brit. of morality advocate these low lifes should represent us anywhere let alone Westminster – of course not. No patriot would wish for such trash in our Parliament – the ones there now are an obscenity without adding such vile people as EUkip puts forward and fields as its spokesmen!

TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the exit and survival plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits of leaving The EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our border.
NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the MSM and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING.
Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62

PLEASE POST THIS TAG AS FOLLOWS:ON YOUR eMAILS & BLOGS, FORUM POSTINGS & MAILINGS – GET THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE IT IS OUR BEST HOPE AS WHOEVER IS APPOINTED WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS PROVED!

I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country. Deny the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour. Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples.

Write Upon Your Ballot Paper:

LEAVE THE EU

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#600* – MAY I PRESUME TO REMIND YOU AS THIS IS POSTING #600!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 25/08/2009

PLEASE HELP PUBLICISE THIS POST BY CIRCULATING THE DETAILS IN WHOLE OR IN PART AS WIDELY AS YOU CAN – THANKS

The Direct Link to include
in your ‘e’Mails and on your Blogs & Forums is:
http://caterpillarsandbutterflies.blogspot.com/2009/08/600-may-i-presume-to-remind-you-as-this.html

#600* – MAY I PRESUME TO REMIND YOU
AS THIS IS POSTING #600!

There are only 38 Days until The Irish are forced to vote again in a referendum to ratify The New Constitution Lisbon Treaty.

You may well find some facts to use to help them or some ideas if you CLICK HERE

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Similarly may I remind you that you can help in another matter of common justice, which you may have read of in Christopher Booker‘s column in The Sunday Telegraph this week.

Photo: UPPA
Lord Justice Wall
described East Sussex‘s behaviour as ‘disgraceful’

For more specific details CLICK HERE

If you would like more general info on the subject CLICK HERE

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You may also wish to know more of the details regarding this man:

Which you will find if you CLICK HERE
& there will be numerous more entries to add to the several already posted, during the coming week or so.

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But to really understand some of the background you will need to know more of this man:

Whose behaviour in the matter and that of 13-Mar-1996 can in my opinion be described as little short of evil.

For more background data CLICK HERE

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You may find the words of Lord Burton of interest:

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You will find much additional information if you CLICK HERE particularly if you follow the many links.

Then return to this blog and start reading back through the 600 postings in the realisation that in not a single one have I ever set out to mislead or have I ever failed to provide the truth and substantiation – I understand that to date I have NEVER made a substantive error or stated an untruth.

You must judge for yourself and if you are in any doubt of the facts having read the blog please do not hesitate to contact me and I will readilly endeavour to clarify and if you find an error PLEASE contact me and if it is substantive I will not only publish the correction but will make the appropriate apology.

I do appreciate that the scum that now support and run EUkip would rather tittle and tattle than address the facts and that they are only too happy to lie about me where they can hide behind false names or on platforms where dishonesty prevails and I have no right of response.

Interestingly NEVER ONCE have any of the mischief makers called me giving their identity to check a fact nor to correct an entry, save once where I had been misled deliberately over a resignation by two EUkip apparatchiks and the correction was made with apology within minutes!

If you repeat ANY statement I have made on my blogs I will be only too happy to stand by the statement and you in any Court in defence of the truth – assuming you have quoted me accurately and in context.

I make no claims of infallibility but you may be assured that I will honestly try to do my best in the causes I support. Including in support of UKIP, which I have fearlessly and constantly supported for over a dozen years.

It is sad to have watched so many of the honest activists of UKIP either drift away or become corrupted and follow the venal and utterly dishonest and dishonourable venal path of EUkip in such betrayal of these United Kingdoms. EUkip has not only associated itself with some of the most vile politicians in EUropean politics but has attracted like minded support from a vicious and vile claque seeking their own enrichment and aggrandisement.

EUkip has become a disgrace to these United kingdoms and I fear it may be too late for UKIP but we can but hope!

If I can help YOU in an honest and honourable endeavour of a patriotic or moral nature PLEASE do not hesitate to contact me.

Regards,

Greg L-W.

For my FULL contact details CLICK HERE

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership
& NEC is what gives the remaining 10%
a bad name!

I SUGGEST –
since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country. Deny the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour. Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples.

Write Upon Your Ballot Paper:

LEAVE THE EU
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#599* – AN OPEN LETTER re: Gawain TOWLER

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 25/08/2009

#599* – AN OPEN LETTER re: Gawain TOWLER

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership
& NEC is what gives the remaining 10%
a bad name!

AN OPEN LETTER re: Gawain TOWLER! IN THE LIGHT OF THE MISREPRESENTATION OF THE LOW LIFES SUPPORTING THE CORRUPTION IN EUkip & the apparent deliberate misrepresentation by the ever childish and imature Chris Mounsey.

IN RESPONSE TO A UKIP MEMBER’S ENQUIRY.

Hi,

some time ago you asked about Gawain Towler, and what I thought of him as an MEP candidate, which I outlined in some detail.

I note that he is likely to be an MP candidate in your area!

I also note that Anthony Butcher’s much corrupted and dishonest little forum has seen fit, in its pro EUkip section, where it is accepted for pro EUkip members to lie, libel and dissemble, largely without let or hindrance, sheltering in shame behind false names; yet those who support UKIP but expose the truth about their vile leadership as EUkip are removed, either on the flimsiest of pretext or based on lies, as in my case to lie yet again.

You may remember that I stated as a fact that Peter Reeve EUkip’s bully boy RO with the shaven head and lack of understanding of ethics or morality in the Eastern Region was under investigation by the police – which he was, and a number was supplied for the police complaint; none the less the corrupt and duplicitous moderator Brendan Padmore (sheltering his duplicity behind the silly name BA Ware!), in support of EUkip, and Anthony Butcher banned me for life having been threatened and bullied with a pack of lies from another of EUkip’s scum that has floated upward – Paul Nuttall, who is a proven liar and cheat.

Back to Gawain Towler who is a particularly odious little man, beyond his mere perversions – he is a liar as shown by various ‘e’Mails I have. Sent to me by someone whom he was trying to deceive.

As you well know over a number of years I have neither interest or prejudice based on people’s perfectly legal perversions, and perversion within marriage is no concern of others outside of the relationship, save where it may be either illegal or publicly harmful particularly to children.

As you will see from my comments on my blog – this is clearly NOT about prejudice or revulsion at particular perversions, for as long as they are legal. This is entirely about values and judgement, taste, trust and braggadocio.

It is my belief and contention, as it was The UKIP South West Committee’s, that Gawain Towler has shown himself to be unsuited to represent others in a political party as an MEP and I would contend unsuitable as a constituency MP.

Gawain Towler’s legal perversions are of no concern to me; though some, with a narrower view of the world, such as many Christians and all Muslims would be concerned. Towler’s alleged illegal perversions, though widely discussed, are a matter for the authorities to substantiate and act accordingly.

I would not have raised this matter again had not some on Anthony Butcher’s forum not seen fit to exercise their dishonesty to misrepresent my perfectly clear stance as some sort of delusional attack on me – sadly EUkip has attracted all too many perfectly vile and dishonest supporters who clamour like the claque of old!

There are various other articles on Gawain Towler on my blog which you can find with the search engine if you wish but for starters:

http://caterpillarsandbutterflies.blogspot.com/2009/04/425-eukip-must-be-so-proud-in-south.html

http://juniusonukip.blogspot.com/2009/04/blog-entry-that-gawain-towler-did-not.html
and the comments thereon!

I note that on Chris Mountsey’s web site, as republished on Butcher’s squalid forum, I stand accused of libelling him!
If I have I unreservedly apologise, as I have always tried to be accurate and honest and can think of no occasion where I would have wished either to libel him or to have misled others about him. Were his claim true he is of course encouraged to show where I have supposedly libelled him and I will not only make correction but clearly apologise.

Regards,
Greg L-W.
[to Reply: Greg@GlanceBack.Demon.co.UK other addresses are auto spam filtered]

http://GregLanceWatkins.blogspot.com
for my contact details, blogs & views

We must work together to liberate these United Kingdoms from the undemocratic, corrupt, centralised, unaccountable and allien EUropean Union, which has been so damaging to Britain both in cost and destruction of our values, industry, commerce, governance, defence, British Justice, Commonwealth, borders & the Anglosphere.

No trustworthy politician has EVER provided a single solitary benefit of membership of The EU which justifies the £1.8 Million / Hour cost or loss of self determination and foreign or trade policy.

We All Know the benefits for politicians of the feeding troughs on The EU Gravy Train and the corruption at Westminster, where MPs & Peers are not required to declare the identity of their EU paymasters when they debate or vote!

I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country. Deny the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour. Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples.

Write Upon Your Ballot Paper:

LEAVE THE EU

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