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#446* – EUkip BEFOULS ITSELF AGAIN

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 29/04/2009


#446* – EUkip BEFOULS ITSELF AGAIN

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership
& NEC is what gives the remaining 10%
a bad name!

EUkip BEFOULS ITSELF AGAIN – IF IT LOOKS LIKE Derek CLARK, IT SMELLS LIKE CLARK & IT BEHAVES LIKE CLARK!

Hi,

I note from information received around lunchtime from several sources – but declined to publish without greater substantiation – as I would not wish to accidentally mislead readers if possible – now having established in conversation with part of the Junius operation that they had an associate close to the details and the route of their story was VERY different to my various sources – I felt it apporpriate that Junius published the story at CLICK HERE

I have added more details and opinions backed up by sources at the end of The Junius Article.

Is there nothing that UKIP will not stoop to in order to punish it‘s critics?
Asks Junius!

Clearly not I regret to say – whether bullying, lies, dishonesty, corruption, self enrichment, extortion or nepotism – there is NOTHING too vile for EUkip in their ambition to get their snouts back in the troughs for further self enrichment.

Well I recall the occasion when Nigel Farage threatened John deRoeke that if he continued … he would F****** Well have him killed! Farage was foolish enough to make this threat in front of witnesses he believed to be loyal to him!

One need only consider what EUkip has achieved in 5 years having had 12 MEPs elected – besides of course bringing the British EUroSceptic movement into disrepute, having gone native and garnered a raft of bad publicity. Not least of which was his bag carrier and general fixer Croucher’s involvement with the wing of political chicannery at Searchlight and his general dishonesty. Also Farage’s drunken whoring.

Consider the staggering betrayal of the electorate and Britain by Derek Clark & Nigel Farage in selling out to greater subsidiarity to the EU for Britain or the fraud and attrocious behaviour of Tom Wise EUkip MEP whereby he and Lindsay Jenkins (Researcher for EUkip and sometime speech writter for Farage) face Court and possible prison!

Let us permit Junius to tell us the outline story from EUkip East Midlands:

I have just been informed that Tony Ellwood – Derek Clark’s former researcher – was arrested by Nottingham Police earlier today.

Eight police officers armed with special equipment stormed his Nottingham home at approx 8.30 am.

A search warrant had been obtained because certain individuals had used ‘Crimestoppers’ to invent lies about large scale theft of clothing and money laundering – now that second accusation sounds familiar!

Mr Ellwood was cautioned, fingerprinted, photographed, his DNA was taken and he was tested for Class A drugs .

At 6.00 pm, the Police, realising that they had fallen for a pack of lies, released Mr Ellwood without charge.

I am pleased to say that they were somewhat more humble than they had been earlier in the day.

You will recall that Tony Ellwood was sacked by Derek Clark following disagreements between the two. See LINK

Mr Ellwood, 56, has been a loyal and committed UKIP member since 1994. He was a 3 times General Election candidate, a local authority candidate and for 14 years was UKIP’s elected treasurer for the East Midlands.

As you would expect Mr Ellwood has been left very shaken by the experience.

You may be interested to know that one of Derek Clark’s staff earlier this week predicted to Mr Ellwood that he would be shortly arrested.

Now how did Clark’s staff know of that fact in advance? Who else knew and for how long? Who informed ‘Crimestoppers’ and at whose behest ?

Should not the entire command involved in this disgraceful episode be sacked from their employment?

You can draw your own conclusions but I would suggest that you start making a few phone calls to Clark’s Nottingham office.

UKIP’s leadership has a track record of trying to punish it’s critics.

You may recall that John West made a complaint against Jeffrey Titford and within a few days his UKIP MEP video interview was posted on YouTube by Annabelle Fuller at the behest of her lover.

Derek Clark is under investigation by OLAF – the EU’s anti-fraud office.

Derek Clark OLAF Case Number: D/007/033/04.09.08

Derek Clark OLAF Investigation Number: DD/FD-D2008.A1/7133/OF/2008/0240

This has all the hallmarks of that sordid and dishonest filth Derek Clark.

Many will remember his collaboration with Gerard Batten, one of EUkip’s least significant MEPs, and the odious and dishonest Douglas Denny (so dishonest that he was voted out as Returning Officer in the corrupt leadership election where due to dishonesty Farage stole the leadership, which had he acted with integrity he may well have won by election!).

Derek Clark, seemingly an habitually dishonest little old man, trumped up absolutelly dishonest charges against Peter Baker another long serving and honest member of the party who had been elected Chairman of The East Midlands Region. It seems that after a particularly crass episode of boasting at a public meeting about how he fiddled his expenses Derek Clark was scared that Peter Baker might take action against him.

Many will recall that already Derek Clark had lied to his supporters who had worked so hard to get him elected – promising to stand down within the year as he was far too old for the job!

Clark tried to cover-up his general dishonesty and corruption calling a Kangaroo Court and show trial to remove Peter Baker to empower a placeman who would do his bidding for a fee in his place. Clark came completely unstuck and made himself, Gerard Batten and Douglas Denny look complete fools and small time crooks when they did not get away with their dishonest plan as there were those who believed Peter Baker had every right not only to lead a defence but to field witnesses to prove Derek Clark was a liar aided and abetted by the two low lifes colluding with him in his corruption and dishonesty Gerard Batten and Douglas Denny.

This underhand call to the Police leading to Tony having his door smashed in and his house ransacked by the police thugs has all the hallmarks of Derek Clark and his corrupt oppos. A man who is so beneath contempt as to have acted as dishonestly as he did against Peter Baker would be quite capable of doing something as vile and cowardly as has been done to Tony Elwood.

I spent a weekend with Tony at The Huntsman several years ago when he attended one of my social working weekends – he is a thouroughly decent and loyal individual who was dedicated to UKIP and its original aims, values and principles. If he had ANY fault it was that he was possibly underconfident and too self efacing but on my experience of him I would be only too happy to stand by him in a Court and attest that I believed him to be honest and decent and KNEW Derek Clark to be dishonest, corrupt and a liar with a vile and venal self interest and an unarguable lack of integrity or morality.

As I recall Tony Elwood has a son who was himself in the police however based on the experience of dishonesty of the only 3 ex Police I know of in EUkip that would seem to be of little recommendation! Trevor Colman, Bob Feel Martinis and Tom Wise – not one of whom could one trust as far as one could kick them – dishonest and bullying to the core!

The original UKIP members must be reeling at how befouled their party has become under the dishonest and corrupt centralised extreme right wing authoritarian control imposed upon it for Farage’s personal gain.

Were EUkip to have 70 MEPs elected it would be merely 10 times the catastrophy for our Country as having 7 elected and 70 times the tragedy for patriotic British peoples as having ONE elected. EUkip will not get a single solitary MEP elected honestly as there are insufficient dishonest people in Britain to wittingly vote for their dishonerable corruption.

Just how much more despicable can EUkip become than they have been in their vile abuse of trust and commitment of Tony Elwood or their vile treatment of Gregg Beaman, John West, Dr. Eric Edmond, Dr. David abbott, the generous if rather naiive Martin Hasslam, Nigel Farage’s BNP supporting friend Buster Motram and the many more fundamentally decent folk they have dishonestly attacked!

Then consider for a moment the sordid dishonest, self seeking pond life and scum that have floated to the top as the solids in Farage’s septic tank

the BNP styled Nattrass and the similar bully boy Peter Reeve,

the brutish and ill mannered Lisa Duffy who has so spectacularly failed with her promises of achievement of EUkip Yooof and the dregs that has dredged up!

The ridiculous Ms Oxley and her crass legal opinions,

the idiotic and bad tempered fool Ma Zucherman with his chants of BNP and using mental illness as an insult when NOT looking in the mirror,

the liar and cheat Douglas Denny,

the faintly ridiculous cartoon of himself the dishonest bullying oaf Bob Feel Martinis,

the hireling extremist and serial failure Mark Croucher with his dishonesty and misrepresentation,

the oaf, liar and shameless creep McGough,

the liar and fraud David Bannerman,

the utterly discreditted political prostitute Marta Andreasen (Did you note in her recent video her claim of having been earning 150,000EUro a year and that was why she wanted to get back into tthe EU!!!!)

– Need I continue?

Who is there of gravitas, integrity, ethics, morality or merit one could trust in the leadership of EUkip?

I note from the ‘e’Mail circulated by the childish and self important little Denny that he believes that he is on a par with the Home Secretary and should be entitled to have the police dishonestly seize computers, as they seized one in ‘The Palace of Westminster’.

Denny was clearly sent away with a flea in his ear by Chichester Constabulary for wasting their time and having embarrassed himself by publishing his contempt and criticism of Ma Zucherman, however appropriate, he is now grovelling asking for Michael’s support and advice – how the worm turns.

So that was David Bannerman tossed out on his ear when he threatened John West and I with reporting us to Scotlan Yard’s Political Squad – when no such branch exists hence his bluster was just like his lies about his ancestry – come to nothing!

Then there was the idiotic posturing of NuttAll dishonestly trying to harass Roger Knapman and others for using their lists of members accrued over many years when clearly EUkip has absolutely no respect for privacy or data protection as shown by the various cases still outstanding against them for abuse of Data Protection Laws and also the cautions they have already received!

A measure of their competence can be adjudged by:

Mr Norman Fancett nfancett@talktalk.net Christchurch

Mr Alastair Fantham alifantham@hotmail.com West Herts

Mr Nigel Farage kipse@ukip.org Bromley Borough

Mr Guy Farage carolfarage@aol.com Bromley Borough

Mr John Farley j.farley@murdoch.edu.au Overseas

Mrs Barbara Farmer bfarmer1@dialstart.net Truro and Falmouth

I guess those who know the sequence from the first number 1408 will comprehend the significance!

Talking of worms turning I note the worm Croucher has REturned having seemingly made a cock up of trying to run two pubs, one wonders howmuch of the money he borrowed from EUkip members he ever paid back!

One can understand him having no shame it would seem he has nothing in his life to ever have been proud of! His return is likely to be as damaging for EUkip as was his original stint misguidedly sheltered by Farage to the detriment of EUkip, due not only to his fundamental dishonesty but also his links with extremism.

I wonder if EUkip members will demand an enquiry into the dishonesty regarding Tony Elwood that seems so very like other behaviour by EUkip in seeking to dishonestly damage and defame those who dare to criticise or dare to seek transparency, probity and the raising of standards above the gutter in which most of EUkip’s leadership are so at home!

TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the exit and survival plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits of leaving The EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our border.
NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the MSM and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING.
Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62

PLEASE POST THIS TAG AS FOLLOWS:ON YOUR eMAILS & BLOGS, FORUM POSTINGS & MAILINGS – GET THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE IT IS OUR BEST HOPE AS WHOEVER IS APPOINTED WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS PROVED!

I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country. Deny the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour. Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples.

Write Upon Your Ballot Paper:

LEAVE THE EU

Posted in EUkip; UKIP; Tony Elwood; Peter Baker; Derek Clark; East Midlands; Croucher; Denny; Farage; Police; Corruption; Lies; | Leave a Comment »

#445* – More LIES from Bob FEEL MARTINIS

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 29/04/2009


#445* – More LIES from Bob FEEL MARTINIS

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership
& NEC is what gives the remaining 10%
a bad name!

More LIES from Bob FEEL MARTINIS PLATFORM PROVIDED BY LIBERTAS Anthony BUTCHER!

An open letter to:

Forum Owner UKIPForum now called DemocracyForum
&
spokesman for Declan Ganley’s Libertas.EU
BUTCHER Anthony (T***@UKIPforum.co.UK);

MODERATORS known to me:
Andrew P******* (****@btinternet.com);
Paul W***** [Aardvark] (**********@btinternet.com);
Brendan PADMORE (bpadmore@dsl.pipex.com)

Hi,

PLEASE NOTE:
http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/ukip-general-issues/60295-farage-fuller.html#post655892

Please can you remove this from your Forum, it is unsubstantiated and untrue – thus a libel.

Please ensure that Bob FM is made to unconditionally apologise on your Forum for having lied.

In over 40 years of starting, running and managing my own businesses in this Country and others I have NEVER closed a business in debt and I have NEVER been declared bankrupt.

Bob Feel Martinis is clearly a liar.

Feel Martinis’ serial dishonesty and that of Mick McGough, Douglas Denny, Mark Croucher and others on your forum brings it consitently into disrepute – however it does all too clearly show the corruption of EUkip and its leadership and many of its supporters.

Their behaviour is beneath contempt and rarely founded on fact, integrity or honesty.

Whether we are talking of the lies and dishonest threats of their BNP styled Chairman and his bully boys, their drunken womanising MEPs, their liars and cheats such as Bannerman and McGough standing for office, the serial failures like Croucher or the general pond life that seem to have so little command of ethics that they are willing to vote for EUkip as the lesser of two evils – unaware that to do so is to vote for and support evil no less.

EUkip does not stand for any British values that any true patriot would be proud of – merely a cheap chavery similar to the idiotic football hooligans we regrettably spawn!

EUkip has been around for 15 years and has had MEPs for 10 (70 MEP years of utterly discreditted endeavour!) and to date their greatest achievement has been inflating childish toys and dressing up as chickens. How is any British citizen one iota better off for being represented by the low lifes, drunks and clowns that have been stuffing their pockets at the expense of Britain having gone native?

Thank You,

Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62

TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the exit and survival plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits of leaving The EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our border.
NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the MSM and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING.
Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62

PLEASE POST THIS TAG AS FOLLOWS:ON YOUR eMAILS & BLOGS, FORUM POSTINGS & MAILINGS – GET THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE IT IS OUR BEST HOPE AS WHOEVER IS APPOINTED WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS PROVED!

I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country. Deny the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour. Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples.

Write Upon Your Ballot Paper:

LEAVE THE EU

Posted in EUkip; UKIP; Bob Feal Martinez; Lies; Dishonesty UKIPForum; Anthony Butcher; Libertas; | Leave a Comment »

#444* – The BRITISH DUMBOCHRACY FORUM

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 29/04/2009

#444* – The BRITISH DUMBOCHRACY FORUM

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership
& NEC is what gives the remaining 10%
a bad name!

The BRITISH DUMBOCHRACY FORUM – FORMERLY The UKIPForum!

Today, 09:34 AM
#25 (permalink)


Bob FM
Uber Member

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: South Marston Swindon
Posts: 4,465

Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoffrey Collier
BobFM: That posting is completely senseless; it has no implicit meaning which can be discerned. Are we to assume that your, ‘scriptwriter’ has abandoned you after only a couple of days, BobFM?


I am sorry you don’t understand. I will make it easy for you GLW has already stated that certain founder members of UKFP are corrupt. He did this prior to JW joining them.

To help Bob FM – aware that he was not the sharpest knife in the box, though I note his medication seems to have been changed or his carer is checking his postings as although he averages over 10 a day on The Forum his linguistic skills at times are at complete variance from others! – I responded to his personal ‘e’Mail to me of the 25th. April in some detail, to assist him, on the 25th.

Aware that he was untrustworthy and likely to misrepresent the truth, as he so often does, to cover myself against his dishonesty, you will note that I posted the ‘e’Mail correspondence in the public domain at:

CLICK HERE

Astonishingly it transpires he is not only dishonest but stupid, as he is still misrepresenting the facts, despite the details being in the public domain and by ‘e’Mail to him.
Note the dishonesty of Bob FM ‘s posting 29-Apr-2009 at:
CLICK HERE

Aware that not only is Bob FM dishonest, and has shown himself to be stupid, his serial cowardice in making distorted and thus dishonest comments about me on the Forum, aware that he will be aided by having an unchallenged platform for dishonesty provided by the owner of the list and certain of the moderators, is beneath contempt but he is clearly amongst like minded corrupt individuals!

Consider the dishonesty of Mark Croucher, Douglas Denny, Mick McGough and various others – this standard of dishonesty and cowardly bullying clearly brings The Forum into disrepute. I appreciate I am personally banned for telling the truth and embarrassing certain of the more corrupt members and openly challenging EUkip for its serial dishonesty and corruption – every single instance of which, that I have put forward, has been proven true and accurate and never once has it been shown that I have EVER set out to deceive or lied.

Perhaps the same standards

could be demanded of other posters.

I was interested to be quoted by someone whose lack of understanding probably accounts for his sheltering behind anonymity:

Yesterday, 11:28 AM #140 (permalink)

skeptyk
Junior Member

Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 11

Quote:
Originally Posted by SponPlague
There are a lot of anti-gays in UKIP, Bob

I find it absolutely disgusting that this forum which is for POLITICAL debate turns into slanging matches for homophobes. Quite frankly, who gives a sh*t about the sexuality of any member/PPC, their abilities aren’t clouded or hindered by their ‘legal perversions’ (c) GLW. Its a sign of how low some of the people on this forum are that when all else fails, lets adopt name calling. Shame on anyone who posts childish tosh like what I have seen regarding a person’s sexuality. Watkins seems to lead the way on the homophobia with some of his blogs about Taylor and he seems to have several acolytes who wish to spread his hate-filled bile on here.

This Tyke’s posting can be found in context if you CLICK HERE

I appreciate ‘homophobia’ is a long word, invented relatively recently by the Politically Correct brigade – no doubrt under the malign influence of The Frankfurt School (aka KGB) through their protiges ‘Stonewall’ – however when quoting it perhaps even someone ashamed of their own name would seek out some facts, rather than display their ignorance in seeking to defame me – as ever Anthony Butcher provides a platform for dishonesty!

Perhaps the Tyke would care to point out ‘like what I have seen’ pertains not to someone called Taylor but Towler – when defaming people it is sensible to get basic facts right even if you seek to dishonestly misrepresent the main substance!

Let us see if ‘skeptyk’ is man enough to put his proper name to his apology, or is that forbidden in his care home, when he has caught up and had explained to him what I DID say rather than being duped by the spin of those who would rather put across what they wish I had said!

May I suggest he starts by reading the facts rather than publishing his hearsay and fantasies – start at:
CLICK HERE

Do not for a moment believe that I have any personal problem with Gawain Towler’s perfectly legal perversions – it is his criminal perversions, as delineated by his wife and admitted to Malcolm Wood and others and graphically explained to The South West Committee which de-selected him on the grounds of his perversions as unfit, that show him to be unsuited as a MEP candidate even for the debased, dishonest and befouled EUkip.

You will note that I have made no allusion to anything as trendy as Homophobia but have left that to the homophobes to use as an accusation against me. I care not a fig for his disgusting perversions, which are legal – only those to which his wife published, which are criminal if true.

I call Gawain Towler to task not for his perversions as you will note, if you study the facts, but for his judgement and braggadocio of publishing details of his sexual encounters and pecadillos – just as I would not vote for the pervert Chris Bryant – not because of his perversion but for his lack of judgement in photographing himself in his underwear and publishing his desire for ‘a thorough good hard F******’ on a web site for pervets in the public domain! It is not the perversion which is in question but the lack of judgement when aspiring to represent others.

You will note that belatedly Gawain Towler realised his own lack of judgement and removed his own blog!

Further I have little but contempt for Gawain Towler as he is proven dishonourable and a liar, who has lied about me for his own personal gain and to the detriment of UKIP.

You may consider Towler fit to represent YOU but I assure you I do not consider him fit to represent me – there again we all have our own standards and you may by now have realised that mine are not in the gutter with EUkip, though I concede your right to enjoin in that gutter. You may even be sufficiently without ethical standards to vote for EUkip to represent you.

I wonder if there will be anyone with sufficient integrity to transfer this posting to Butcher’s debased little Forum?

TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the exit and survival plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits of leaving The EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our border.
NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the MSM and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING.
Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU’s CAP – In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62

PLEASE POST THIS TAG AS FOLLOWS:ON YOUR eMAILS & BLOGS, FORUM POSTINGS & MAILINGS – GET THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE IT IS OUR BEST HOPE AS WHOEVER IS APPOINTED WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS PROVED!

I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country. Deny the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour. Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples.

Write Upon Your Ballot Paper:

LEAVE THE EU

Posted in EUkip; UKIP; Forum; Anthony Butcher; Bob Feal-Martinez; Gawain Towler; McWhirter; Geoffrey Collier; | Leave a Comment »

#443* – THE BETTER RUN THE PUB THE LONGER IT LASTS

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 29/04/2009

#443* – THE BETTER RUN THE PUB THE LONGER IT LASTS

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership
& NEC is what gives the remaining 10%
a bad name!

THE BETTER RUN THE PUB THE LONGER IT LASTS – I GUESS!

Hi,

I do not for a moment feel surprised at this news and nor do I take any pleasure at it since it probably bodes ill for The EUroSceptic Campaigns of Britain.

One must feel sorry for Croucher as one of his earlier spectacular failures he spent much time on the phone telling me it was Margaret Thatcher’s fault and he hated The Conservatives. It may well have been those failures which threw him into the arms of extremist politics with his odious connections with the extreme organisation Searchlight – that resulted in damage to the credibility of EUkip.

It must be confusing for him to now fail again from a base of two recently acquired pubs some distance apart – no doubt this will be someone elses fault as well!

I hope Croucher is able to obtain gainful employ in a field where he might be a sucess as clearly as a publican he was not well suited and as a Press Officer he was a dishonest catastrophy who did much to damage the perception of EUkip as an ethical organisation. Happy top lie and defame for his own gain.

Many will recal the tissue of lies he presented bringing EUkip into disrepute with The Press Complaints Council – Croucher’s corruption became legendary amongst those of integrity in the know in EUkip during his employ by Farage as something of a ‘fixer’.

Recession calls last orders on our pubs?

19 March 2009

UNDER THREAT? :

The Two Brewers in Dartford

– a pub run by Mark Croucher who was forced to leave the job he loved because of the economic downturn.

PUBLICANS throughout north Kent say the credit crunch and costly bureaucracy is threatening their livelihoods and community life, writes Ed Riley.

“The situation for the industry is dire and we fear for the future. Pubs are an intrinsic part of the fabric of our society. Nothing compares to them. When they are gone it will bring a social isolation to the community, and to lose them for good would be a great shame.”explains Mark Croucher, 43, a former landlord of the Two Brewers in Lowfield Street, Dartford.

FEARFUL:

Former landlord Mark Croucher.


He had to sell the pub back to the brewery in June last year after turnover dropped by more than FIFTY per cent, and has now left the pub trade altogether.

It is a familiar story in north Kent and across the country, as the British Beer and Pub Association warn six pubs are closing every day with the entire industry under ‘real threat’.

Last week your Times exclusively revealed the 100-year-old Kings Arms, in Wrotham Road, Meopham, had closed with more than 20 people losing their jobs.

Mr Croucher, 43, of East Hill, Dartford, said: “I don’t know any landlords at the moment that are saying they are doing better this year than they were last year.

“Pubs are losing turnover by anywhere between five to 50 per cent, and that is having a massive affect on them.

“At the Two Brewers, in 2007, over the course of one weekend in May, we made more than £8000. In 2008, over the same weekend, we made less than half that, taking in just £3,400. It is a balancing act all the time as prices go up and turnover falls.

“It is a combination of factors all conspiring against the trade. People can’t afford to drink out in this economic climate and the overheads are phenomenal. The future is the bleakest it has ever been.”

Landlords across north Kent say a combination of factors have affected the pub industry, including the smoking ban, the increase in tax on beer, the low cost of alcohol in supermarkets and the economic downturn.

Pip Nevell, 47, the landlord of the New Inn in Milton Road, Gravesend said: “I was born in a pub, and I always said that I would die in a pub. But I don’t think there is any chance of that now.

“I have tried to keep away from the doom and gloom, but things are just so hard for the landlords now, it used to be a trade that you did ok on, but now, it is a financial burden.

“Pubs are pillars of the community, we help the community. They are places where people come to talk about their problems, where people go to socialise.

“The smoking ban is what hit us really hard at first, and with the recession as well and the increase in taxes on beer, it has really hurt the pub trade. People are just staying away, they can’t afford to come and sit in a pub anymore.”

On Monday the government’s top medical advisor, Sir Liam Donaldson, announced plans for a minimum price on alcohol, which could see the end of cheap drinks in supermarkets, and is aimed at tackling alcohol abuse. He is the same advisor who recommended the smoking ban which started in July 2007.

Terry Orford, 52, landlord of the Painters Ash, in Dene Holm Road, Northfleet, said the plan might encourage drinkers back to pubs.

But despite the proposal which would see the majority of sensible drinkers punished, the government is expected to reject the advice.

Mr Orford said: In the last two years I have noticed a drop in trade. You can try and look at when it first started to get worse and say that it was the smoking ban, but I think really the economic climate is what has really had the most effect.

“The price of beer is also ridiculous now, and when you look at supermarkets charging such low prices for it, how can you compete. If the government does bring in this minimum charge for alcohol to stop the lower prices, it might help.

“But with the situation we are in at the moment, you just don’t know how much longer you are going to last in this trade.”

Mr Croucher added: “It is the cost of beer that hits pubs hard. We hear a lot about how cheap the price of alcohol in supermarkets is now. But I think one of the things that needs to be addressed now, turning the argument on its head, is the cost that some breweries are charging for their beer.

“I have seen before when you can buy a crate of 24 pints of Stella for not much more than £10. If you multiply that to make 80 pints, you are not going to be paying much more than £40. But a brewery will be selling that now for £100 plus VAT. It is a real problem.”

South East MEP Nigel Farage, who is leader of the UK Independence Party, says the government should do more to help the pub industry.

He said: “You talk to any landlord in the pub industry today, and you find out that they are all struggling.

“We need to cut the tax on beer, and we must stop supermarkets running these loss leader pricing policies.

“The smoking ban is another issue. Since it came in, pubs have been struggling, and we would like to see every pub with a smoking room, In Germany, they have brought in the smoking ban, but in three states, they have passed legislation for smoking rooms in pubs.”

“The loss of a pub is devastating to the community. It has always been and always will be, a place to go to talk and meet and get together. There has to be a place where people can have the right to go and smoke and go and drink after work.”

An HM Treasury spokesperson said: “The changes to alcohol duty announced in Budget 2008 will raise revenue that will be used to make further progress towards the Government’s target of halving child poverty on the way to eradicating it by 2020.

“As with all taxes, alcohol duty is kept under review by the Chancellor as part of the Budget process

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Many and varied are the reasons businesses go bust but rarely do they seem to be the fault of the owners if you talk with them – I claim no expertise in this field never having owned or run a business which failed. Luck I presume!

It is surprising that the reporter seems only to have interviewed the failed, the failing and drunks to garner his report – had he thought of interviewing impartial observers or perhaps commercial consultants – surely everyone has been aware for some years as pub prices and pub deals fell in value that the trade had largely failed – hence the ease with which a pub may be leased, bought or obtained and the number stand empty.

It seems to have escaped the perception of many that the clientele for pubs has shrunk – much of which is of the making of the pub chains and publicans themselves. In Chepstow there were at one time 117 licensed premises and today that is down to a struggling handfull as a result of installing TVs – seemingly for the staff! Ever louder music, seemingly for the neighbourhood! Serving drunks in a manner that would formerly never have been tollerated!

Many will recall when pubs had a public bar for smokers and those wishing for entertainment and a ‘snug’ or similar for those able to entertain themselves and frequently smoke free. To accomodate more people these pubs were tore out the walls put in polystyrene fake beams a TV and blaring music and all of a sudden pubs were run by braying fools whose bombast and bullying lost them their bedrock clients and they started to attract drifting ferral packs of binge drinkers – about then some publicans dreamed up the misconception that because they could boil food in a bag and fry the odd thing they were restauranters – after a series of errors most people left the pubs to the ferral drunks, bought a few bottles of wine and stayed at home or visited friends.

You may have noticed as you walk along the streets of your town the dirth of Off Licences as the supermarkets provide a cheaper more convenient range, no fresh veg & fruit merchants – the fishmonger has gone and there aren’t even archery shops or flint axe makers!

The world is changing and it does seem that publicans are slow learners, as of course are a vociferous few remaining mature habitues.

That said – Good luck to you Croucher and I trust you can find a job better suited to your abilities than those you have held in the last 10 years or so that I have known of your antics, and maybe for some 15 years prior for all I know.

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